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Re: Laredo much better, but Kira has passed :( [Re: ] #6790
06/01/03 03:13 PM
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Oh, Jeff, I am so sorry -- I'm just shocked to hear this, and I am so sorry -- when you feel up to it, I hope you'll post about it, as (I know) it can be very therapeutic to tell the story.

My thoughts and prayers are with you and Laredo.



Re: Laredo much better, but Kira has passed :( [Re: ] #6791
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I'm so terribly sorry for your loss! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> I hope Laredo will continue to improve and you two can comfort each other. Remember the Bridge.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/gliderangel.gif" alt="" />

Re: Laredo much better, but Kira has passed :( [Re: ] #6792
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Jeff I got your email. You did nothing to harm her. I don't think for one min. that you could harm anything or anyone. As I told you these little ones can hide until the end the illness they have.

My thoughts and prayers are with you.


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Re: Laredo much better, but Kira has passed :( [Re: ] #6793
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Jeff,

I am so so sorry...my heart is aching for your loss of Kira. Keep Laredo close to you.

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Re: Laredo much better, but Kira has passed :( [Re: ] #6794
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Re: Laredo much better, but Kira has passed :( [Re: ] #6795
06/02/03 12:48 AM
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Oh Jeff, so so sorry to hear about Kira passing. I have not been back to this thread as I thought Laredo was on the mend. Did not realize that his friend Kira was sick too. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

May your heart heal with time. Sending prayers to you and Laredo. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frostyangel.gif" alt="" />


Re: Laredo much better, but Kira has passed :( [Re: ] #6796
06/02/03 02:05 AM
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Many hugs and prayers for you and Loredo. I hope everything goes well for him and I am sooo sorry about your loss. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crying.gif" alt="" /> even tho I havent been around long, times like these still bring tears to my eyes..

Re: Laredo much better, but Kira has passed :( [Re: ] #6797
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Jeff, I'm so sorry. You are in my prayers as is Laredo. Please take care. I can't see you hurting anything either. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/gliderangel.gif" alt="" />

Re: Laredo much better, but Kira has passed :( [Re: ] #6798
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[:"purple"]Thanks to all of you for your kindness during this difficult time! It means a great deal to me and I thank each and every one of you! I don't know exactly how to explain this quick and unexplainable turn of events other than to perhaps share the letter I composed to Ellen earlier this afternoon following Kira's passing-( or actually yesterday afternoon now ). Here is copy of the letter:

Ellen,

I'm holding Kira in my lap as I type this and she has passed. I'm so confused about this whole situation as she was the one who showed little to no sign of behavioral changes, whereas Laredo was showing clear symptoms. He has been fine with the Flagl and has regained his appetite somewhat and is playing and running around like normal. Kira took a sudden slide downhill after yesterday's-( Sat.) dose of Flagyl. I'm wondering now if I am responsible for unknowingly killing her by aspiration pneumonia or perhaps I restrained her too tightly, or something. She didn't look the same following the dosing, but was still ambulatory and feisty. When I offered her some fruit, she took a couple of pieces in her typical aggressive manner, but she usually eats what she takes. This time, she simply took a couple grape halves from me aggressively and dropped them both. I decided to leave her be and observe. I watched her while Laredo played outside the cage in the living room, but she didn't come out to play. This is typical for her, as she sometimes will venture out and other times opts to remain in cage. I didn't see her eating anything, but she seemed content and cozy snuggling up in her coconut hut at about 3 AM this morning, so I didn't want to stress her and roust her. This morning at about 10:45 or so, she was climbing beneath the feeding station in the cage and I noticed she seemed to be attempting to nibble on the paper towel beneath the plates of BML and fruits and veggies. I attempted to help her by offering a pouch to see if she would go into the pouch, but she walked to the edge of the feeding station and seemed clumsy and was hanging on by one foot when I intervened and placed her in pouch. She seemed like she was on death's door and dehydrated, so I immediately gave her one injection of a little over 3cc's of the Lactated Ringer's followed by oral feeding of Pedialyte & BML mixture by oral syringe. As she appeared to be barely clinging to life, I opted to give her another injection of ~ 2cc of LRS on opposite side from first. Then I stroked her little head and she showed a little of the subdued "feistiness", so I decided the best thing to do for her would be to give her warmth and keep a close eye on her. I placed her in a warm bonding pouch with a blankie and placed that pouch within a larger family sized pouch and then directed a 75W outdoor light directly at the pouch. It was shortly after 11 or perhaps 11:30AM when I did this and at noon, I opened the pouch to find that she was showing rigor. I scooped her out to find that she had indeed passed, holding her little right hand over her face between her eyes and just above her nose. I am beside myself now wondering if it was I who caused her demise! I keep thinking now that if I had just treated Laredo and left her alone, she would still be alive and mean as ever. I need to close this for now, as I'm too upset to keep typing. I'll talk to you soon!

Jeff


I don't know yet whether I will have a necropsy performed or not, but if so, I will certainly share the findings, if not, I will continue to keep Laredo close to me and remain thankful for all of you understanding and caring & compassinate individuals at the GC[/]
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Re: Laredo much better, but Kira has passed :( [Re: ] #6799
06/02/03 05:20 AM
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Wow Jeff...

This is so sad. I don't know what to say except dont blame yourself hun. You loved kira she has had a good life with you. Take comfort in that. You tried your best to get her better. This is another lesson to us that gliders can hide there illness well. Thank you so much for sharing your story with us. My heart is broken for you. Sending healing prayers for laredo, I am glad to hear that he is getting better. Pleae e-mail me if you just wanna talk.

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> REST IN PEACE SWEET LITTLE KIRA <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />

Re: Laredo much better, but Kira has passed :( [Re: ] #6800
06/02/03 01:39 PM
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It is possible that Kira was sicker than you thought and did not catch the illness in time.

I do want to say something though about using the LR. If there is a kidney problem...LR can be dangerous to use. Has something to do with the blood being alkaline...and with LR(which is also alkaline) it will push a glider over the edge. I do not think the LR did this to your glider....but you might want to discuss use of it with your vet.

When using fluids...it is best to use the D5w....as it is normal saline with Dextrose in it. Normal Saline has life giving elements in it which an animal will loose when dehydrated...the Dextrose...is simply sugar and will keep an animal from rebounding when sugar levels in the blood are low. It is by far...the safest to give to a glider who is suffering from dehydration.

Re: Laredo much better, but Kira has passed :( [Re: ] #6801
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Jeff...I am crying....I am so sorry for you and Laredo. You finally gave Kira a stable and loving home, take heart knowing that. You are in my thoughts... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />

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That is so sad. I'm very sorry. I know it is hard when we lose the things we love. I am praying for you...
chelsey and josie <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" />

Re: Laredo much better, but Kira has passed :( [Re: ] #6803
06/03/03 08:09 PM
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Jeff, I am so sorry!!! I don't know what else I can say, except that I am sure that she had a good life with you, and knew how much she was loved, even if she had a different way of showing her love of you back.

Re: Laredo much better, but Kira has passed :( [Re: SkyBlueGliders] #6804
06/04/03 01:32 PM
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I am shocked and saddened by this turn of events. Please know that we are all here for you and sending out prayers for you and Laredo. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />
You did all that you could Jeff, and she knew she was loved. Take comfort in the fact that you were with her in her final moments.

Re: Laredo much better, but Kira has passed :( [Re: ] #6805
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Big Glider hugs going out to you <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />
At least your baby died next to you instead of all alone, that in itself I think is comforting to both you and your little <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frostyangel.gif" alt="" /> I know for me it would have been, when I lost Skitz.

Re: Laredo much better, but Kira has passed :( [Re: ] #6806
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Jeff,
I do not think aspiration pneumonia was a factor here. I agree with everyone else...whatever infectious process she was fighting....unfortunately won. Another thing that happens is that bacteria release toxins when they are destroyed. If you only have a few bacteria in your system...you can handle it, but if you have lots of bacteria...well you can handle all the toxins that are released. She wouldn't have lived without the antibiotics, but unfortunately this might have also been the case. In the hospital setting when we have children with overwhelming sepsis (lots of bacteria) we have them on intravenous fluids and intravenous antibiotics that way we can help flush out those toxins unfortunately this isn't a good option for small creatures. And not all bacteria have endotoxins. I just do not want you to blame yourself...because I truely do not believe that is where blame belongs. Give Laredo kisses for me and here is a virtual hug for you <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />

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