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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read
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05/19/11 08:27 AM
05/19/11 08:27 AM
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I would never do this to my momma, daddy, or the baby sugar glider. It is very dangerous to the IP joey and stressful to the mom. Althought I would never "POP" a joey out to look at sex or color. I have seen some "under cooked" joeys hanging out of moms pouch as she was cleaning them, but she knows how to move them around. I have also had hairless joeys that were left in box by both parents and I call them pinkies. They were raised fine by the parents without any problem. I was told by another breeder that this was an unusual occurance, maybe because my gliders at that time, the suggies were having 4-6 sets or litters of babies. So maybe mom dropped early to make more room. Miss butters even had one of her two babies that had no gray color on it's back but had it hanging out for cleaning. There wasn't any fur on it either, it looked like a leu baby when they come out all pink in color. I have a few pics that I have on our table to show the differences of how joeys can look when out of pouch for new owners or breeders so they don't sell at the eight week mark from anything that is detached. Maybe Peggy's new diet will have more joeys and might see more of early detached joeys, and in my opinion need to inform the new breeders how to start or reconize fully cooked joeys. Also maybe we should add a warning on our websites about rubbing moms belly, or "popping joeys" for a look, or pulling open moms pouch to peek in. It's a sad day for joeys when breeders do this to their moms and baby sugar gliders. Here are some pics of moms hanging their joeys out. The stain on my finger is cricket guts. lol Art
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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read
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05/19/11 09:18 AM
05/19/11 09:18 AM
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Posts: 95 St.Louis, Misouri
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omg..ppl really do this? how cruel...omg...
mom to 5 skin kids, 2 dogs rocky and chaos and 2 suggies reba and patsy....
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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read
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05/19/11 10:17 AM
05/19/11 10:17 AM
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Norpa
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Wow Art, those are some pretty fantastic pictures!
As for the topic of "Popping" I think it's disgusting. Why would you even think about doing it in the first place? The joey will come out when it/the mom is ready. Waiting list is way better than taking a deposit so soon. I wouldn't even put a deposit on a Joey that young. I'd be too afraid something would happen before it even got a chance to be OOP.
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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read
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05/19/11 11:55 AM
05/19/11 11:55 AM
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Cora
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I must live under a rock or not be buds with these breeders using this practice. Either way, I like the anticipation of it all, the mammas know better than I how to take care of their joeys, so I would never rock that boat!!!
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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read
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05/19/11 09:51 PM
05/19/11 09:51 PM
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LOL Melissa...I know I know...I was so nervous I didnt want Lethe to pick up on THAT particular vibe.
And altho I'm a little more "seasoned" than I was when I discovered Lethe with a joey IP....you can bet next time, I'll be just as worried, anxious and nervous all at the same time...but PATIENT as well...I'll know the sex and markings of her future joeys in due time.
I really really hope this impatient behavior stops and please remember, like Cora said up there...mommy's know best and let THEM do their motherly duties!!!
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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read
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05/19/11 10:05 PM
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buttercup, "... motherly duties" that is cute. i like that and it so true.
regards, nancy in detroit
regards, nancy in roseville (formerly in detroit)
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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read
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05/19/11 11:35 PM
05/19/11 11:35 PM
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My first set of joeys just came oop last week.Now, obviously because this was my first litter I did ALOT of research and still doing research lol and almost all of the sites I had looked at always stated that you had to be careful with the mother because you could cause the joeys to detach. I just can't even begin to understand why someone would ever take the risk of popping a joey out just to see the sex when eventually they will find out soon anyway.Honestly, the genders of my babies didn't even cross my mind. I was to excited that I just had babies! I didn't care what they were.I don't know I just don't agree with this method at all. Thanks Nancy for posting and showing everyone how dangerous this could be to joeys.
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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read
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05/20/11 12:03 AM
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Reason they take the chance: "won't happen to me syndrome"
I will use drunk drivers as an example: 1-NO WAY, even one sip means NO driving 2-Only had a couple, I'm fine to drive 3-I'm just a little buzzed, I can drive fine buzzed 4-I actually drive better drunk
They think it will never happen to them because they know what they're doing and how to do it
»-(¯`v´¯)-»MO MONEY!»-(¯`v´¯)-»kids Chance, Dylan, John, & Kayla Skittles, Snupi, Snuki, Lucy, Shanu, Caspian, Ivy, Kalysta, Kaliya, Santee, Cheyenne, Apache, Comanche, Twirpy, Meribelle, Santeria, Shyamalan, Sebastian, Zoey, Naira & Katsu www.jensfuzzyfriends.com
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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read
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06/13/11 03:17 PM
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bumping this for new breeders. we should have a sticky on this subject. thank you, nancy in detroit
regards, nancy in roseville (formerly in detroit)
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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read
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06/13/11 04:57 PM
06/13/11 04:57 PM
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Personally I like being surprised! I would never disturb a baby just to see what color/sex it is.
~Michelle~ wife, mom to 3 teens and 1 adult, and slave to my 8 gliders Skeeter, Luna, Rocky, Patches, Sweetie, Big Sissy, Little Buddha, and Nikko
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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read
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06/13/11 07:51 PM
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When my baby griz was 1st showing out of pouch he was almost hairless. He stayed attached to mom's nipple for a full week before detaching and letting me see what he was. I swear it was the hardest wait I have ever had...lol. I was dying to know boy or girl but would have never ever taken a chance of delodging him from his nipple to find out sooner than i had a right to know. Now mommy is again expecting but twins this time. I am sooo excited but will avoid even touching her belly much because I don't want anything to happen to my little babies.
Connie: soon to be wife to Harold, mom to 3 children, 2 precious kitties, and my treasured gliders.
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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read
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06/13/11 10:04 PM
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I am a nurse, and I would read about females getting infections in their pouche. To me, it tells me that something may of been introduced to or near the pouche that did not belong( possibly someones fingers? ) I can wait to see what comes out of the pouch, that is part of the excitement for me. I LET NATURE takes its course and just wait.
Cathy Hart Support Aspergers and Autism Research, help put the pieces together. www.hartlandsugargliders.comcathyhart2texas@yahoo.com 469-964-4152
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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read
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06/27/11 04:09 AM
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I'd never do this...I've heard of people doing it. A good friend of mine knows someone that did this and lost joeys from it. It's a horrid thing to do. I won't even handle my joeys till I know they have been completely oop for about 2 days. then Istart to handle them. I'm new to the breeding thing...but I did EXTENSIVE research before deciding to do this. I read the joey information on suz site over and over before commiting to this venture. Now that I have had a couple litters of Joeys. I am very glad I did and did the research to support it first.
Matt Compton Gliders NW email: glidersnw@gmail.com cell: 503-737-9540
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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read
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06/27/11 04:10 AM
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I'd never do this...I've heard of people doing it. A good friend of mine knows someone that did this and lost joeys from it. It's a horrid thing to do. I won't even handle my joeys till I know they have been completely oop for about 2 days. then Istart to handle them. I'm new to the breeding thing...but I did EXTENSIVE research before deciding to do this. I read the joey information on suz site over and over before commiting to this venture. Now that I have had a couple litters of Joeys. I am very glad I did and did the research to support it first.
Matt Compton Gliders NW email: glidersnw@gmail.com cell: 503-737-9540
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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read
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06/27/11 04:45 PM
06/27/11 04:45 PM
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The thought of "popping" a joey out makes me cringe! I couldn't imagine doing something like that. Even when I first started breeding, I never even considering doing something like that. This is definitely something ALL new breeders should take a look at.
Megan & LaVaughn Sugar Exotics Kira Sadie - Neal Pip - Violet Logan - Charli - Tyler - Seamus Chloe - Cas Boone RIP David Your life was short lived, but your memory will last forever.
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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read
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06/28/11 01:49 PM
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tlc_in_chitown
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Glad to see this thread going here. The only motivation for popping joeys early is greed/money. It is sad to see where some breeders have gone with this. If you want to take a chance with own gliders shame on you. To tell someone else how to do this and have something go wrong...know you share half of the blame. If someone tells you how to do this, think about the chance you are taking! For those misinformed enough to actually try and do this, the consequences can be fatal. If you care about your gliders, you will wait. Most of my parents "un-pack" their joeys to clean them and air them out towards the end anyway. Sometimes I am lucky enough to get a peek. If not....I wait. I would never mess with under-cooked joeys or do anything to stress my moms out. So sad! Go Nancy!
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