Yes you want to remove the fleece. You dont want then to be able to hide.

Well here is my day 2 update.

My new goal was to get them to take yogurt off of the back of a metal spoon. No crabbing at all! Which is great. Houdini was the only one who tried to bite the spoon. Did not try that one twice. After that NO Biting. They are doing so great. I am so proud of them. They are also starting to come to the cage door when I walk over. I have different gliders already. I cant wait

to see how they are when I am done.

Sorry I hit a button and it sent before I was done. I hate laptops.

Day 3 Update.

So far so good. Bourbon gave me the goal today of continuing the licky treats and trying to get Jackie to take pudding from a straw. They were sleeping on the cage floor this morning but are now back in the pouch. Oh and one time when I opened the door of the cage Bella decided to escape, Thank god the dogs were closed out of the room. I tried to get her to go into her old pouch because it looked like she was trying to find somewhere to hind but, SHE GRABBED AND CLIMBED ONTO MY HAND (which is new). So from then on I did what I have read on here. Offered my hand but not force her to get on it. She would climb on my hand and run all over me and when I got to the cage door she would turn and run down my back and all over me. Then finally she went in the cage. I am so happy. I did not think it would go so well.

Well today has been great. No crabbing what so ever, no lunging either. Everyone has been happy, including me. I have never been able to go in their cage and move their pouch around without crabbing and lunging. Its like they finally love their mommy. Jackie and Joey do not come out of the pouch much but, Bella and Houdini are always greeting me now when I walk in the room.

BOURBON YOU ARE GREAT. A thousand thanks to you.

Bella tried to escape again tonight. I feel so bad. I wanna let her out to run around, she has never shown any signs of crabbing, lunging, or biting. She is my sweet baby girl. But I know I can not give her any special privileges. I need to treat her like the rest for now. I am only on day 3 and they are doing so good. I can not wait until they are all like Bella. Oh Houdini is lunging at the straw. He is a pudding hog. I try giving it to the other ones and he will lunge at the straw to get it from them. I have now stopped giving it to him through the straw. I do not want to reward his lunging. Is it a good thing to go back to the metal spoon with him? Well I will wait to see when I talk to Bourbon tomorrow. They are up and running around now so my night of working with them is pretty much over. Write more updates tomorrow.

Tara, my best advice would be to go back to the spoon handle and only for 3 licks at a time. That way everyone gets a share, there isn't time to bite it, and they will come to realize that you WILL bring it back for more!

You're doing AWESOME!!! Keep up the good work! Isn't it awesome to watch them progress???

I am now on day 4 and I spoke with Bourbon today. She said to put my hand in on top of them today. So far everything has went well they did not even move when I put my hand on them. I hope it stays like this.

Can I have you guys permission to add this stuff into my glider notebook that I am making? I especially need your permission Bourbon. You are the one that has walked us all through the steps and helped us get to these points.

HEY BOURBON!!!! I have some pictures for you.

They are pictures of my Bella. The sweet one in the family. I would of smiled in my one pic but I looked too cheesy. LOL

Looks like you guys are doing awesome Tara!

OMG Tara you look TERRIFIED that your glider is on your shoulder being NICE! LOL

And of course you have my permission to save and share ANY of my posts on this thread... pending BOURBON'S approval!!!!! And Karen's too as she is the one who made the PP pouch! If you get the rest of them on board, you can count me in too.

Me too.

Not scared...she just can out from under my shirt. The firsttime that happened and I was extremely surprised

Day 13-not much of an update here. They have been going in the pouch. Ranger will let me pick him up and hold him for about thirty seconds before getting frightened and trying to run away. If I am holding Nika and she gets scared I can just give her lickys and she will sit calmly in my hand eating. This doesn't work with Ranger-I don't think he even sees anything when he gets scared, he completely ignores treats and focuses on getting away.
I have been putting them in the bonding pouch every day, and every day is a little better. We went out tonight (to get some mealies and to dinner-yes, dinner) and they crabbed quite a bit for the first 3 or so minutes and then calmed down. They didn't crab again until I pulled the pouch out of my shirt to get them out.

Day 5- Today my job was to scoop out the 2 joeys and put them in a bonding pouch. That did not happen today until I got the 5 wk old out at about 8:30pm when everyone else was eating. I freaked out today when I went in to do it. I talked to Bourbon after I got Joey (the 5wk old) out and pretty much came to the realization that I am scared of Houdini. I know I should not be, it is just that he is the one that bites unprovoked. He is also the one that is protective of the babies. I have to get over that fear in order to move on with him and the rest. Bourbon says that once I get him over his insecurities he will change the mood in the cage and it will be easier. I have to do what Bourbon says and "Just Do It". No matter how I much I might be [censored] out on the inside I cant show it and just do what she says.

Bourbon-I will stick to my promise and just do it tomorrow morning (after I give Houdini a straw of pudding to keep him busy... ) I thank you so much for putting up with me. I know I can be a pain in the butt. . Oh and just so you know, you are not mean. You are just out to help people like me with their gliders and no matter how you sound on the phone you are just trying to help. If it was not for your help I can tell you a lot of our gliders would probably turn out to be cage gliders.

Sorry such a long post. Had to get a few things out there.

I dont know but i think i am doing everything wrong. I took everything out they could hid in and they finally started to sleep in the pp pouch but evertime i get near the cage the 3 of them run i dont even have time to talk or try licky treats and the cage is so big they just run to the other side. any suggestions?

Amanda, don't get discouraged! Just sit and talk to them, don't put your hands INSIDE the cage unless they are in the pouch. Okay, feed them, but don't try to handle them. They will come around. Are you calm when you approach the cage? If you are nervous, they could be picking up on that.

It's important for everyone to remember this always: GO AT THEIR PACE, NO YOURS!

It will happen, just takes longer for some babies!

Update on Donna: Day whatever... LOL I stopped counting.

I have been bonding with Bella daily, and taking Donna out when she seems receptive. Playtime has gotten a lot better. DOnna gets on my hand more and more each time, but she still bites and crabs ocassionally. I get the message Donna, NO bonding POUCH! LOL She hates being approached when she is closed in. I am willing to accept the fact that this little girl may never be able to be in a bonding pouch or regular sleeping pouch. She is to the point now that I can make a PP pouch TYPE of pouch for them to sleep in now that she doesn't try to get away from me. I can still give her what she needs AND have my matching cage sets. LOL

I scooped Donna outta the PP pouch today and cuddled her for a full monute before she darted up my arm to my shoulder, and I can pet her for a LONG time without her biting me! Still seeing progress!!!

Bella has decided that between my shoulder blades is better than the bra. She grooms me till I think she will take the skin off! I think she likes me y'all!!! LOL

So you see folks, I am not really "working" with my girls anymore, but I am still seeing progress. Your hard work will be rewarded too!!!

Hey guys. Sorry I have not been on. I have had some sort of stomach virus and have lost my voice. Bourbon sorry I havent called I cant talk at the moment due to no voice. lol. I will call you as soon as I can.

That's so cool Robin!

AAAAHHHH!


I'm so excited I can't even explain it!!


Today Ranger fell asleep in my hand!!! I did the ice cream scoop out of the pouch he did this sort of half crab thing for like half a second. I think he was just startled. Then I held him up against me and he was just looking at me, so I started petting him and he FELL ASLEEP! It was sooo cute. I was rubbing him under his chin so he laid his head back on my wrist so he could sleep while I rub him. He woke up a bit later and started licking my hand. He licked like my ENTIRE palm (glad I washed my hands before picking him up lol) and then curled into a little ball in my hand and went to sleep!!! AAHH I'm so happy!!!


This obviously isnt the best pic ever, but you get the idea

Merry Christmas Deanna!!!!!

Merry Christmas Robin!!!!

Great job. I am so happy for you. You are making great progress.

Well i finally thought my trio was going to have to sleep in the pp pouch but when i went to talk to them when I got home they were nowere to be found. I searched there cage and thought they had gotten out then i looked up at the ceiling and saw this:
peeking
tails
tails2
There are 3 full grown gliders in there..LOL they managed to find the last and only thing they can hide in and tonight it will be taken out too. I feel so bad taking all there things but its for the best. Just thought i would share.

Yep, the tunnel's gotta go Amanda haha. I couldn't even keep fleece on the bottom of the cage anymore as bedding. It was tucked in beneath the rept PVC frame, but Ranger spent HOURS pulling at it until he finally got a hole big enough he could crawl into.


Also, thanks Tara

And a REALLY big thanks to Bourbon...this is more than I ever wished for. I'll be calling you within the next couple of days

Anyone else have updates?

If you want to call her tonight I know for a fact she's still up lol, I just got off the phone with her a bit ago