I got a message from Mary when I got home tonight that "Pru has a blockage, in her abdomen. Most likely is cancer, but whatever it is, it is inoperable and will kill her, as no food is getting through (hence the straining to potty). I took her home to spend some time with her and let her be with her family." I will call Mary first thing in the morning. This is just heartbreaking Prayers for Pru and Mary
Pat You have not lived until you have done something for someone who can never repay you.....Unknown
Rest in Peace our little sweet friends that have crossed over the "Rainbow Bridge". I miss you Boo-Boo, Lucy, BJ, and Fivel
Re: Prayers for Marys(pappy1264) Pru
[Re: ozzi]
#911714 02/25/1012:05 AM02/25/1012:05 AM
I was never able to chat with Mary on GC. I was fairly new when she bowed out. Lauren and I always loved her pics she posted and fell in love with that little Roo
I just talked to Mary and she is waiting on blood test results on Pru. She wants to know if anyone knows of any gliders that had blockages removed successfully?(Or if anyone's vet has done it?) More prayers and hugs for Mary and Pru
Pat You have not lived until you have done something for someone who can never repay you.....Unknown
Rest in Peace our little sweet friends that have crossed over the "Rainbow Bridge". I miss you Boo-Boo, Lucy, BJ, and Fivel
Re: Prayers for Marys(pappy1264) Pru
[Re: ozzi]
#911830 02/25/1010:43 AM02/25/1010:43 AM
It breaks my heart to read that another beloved glider is suffering, I know how hard it is on us glider slaves to be helpless when something like this happens.
Please let Mary know that I am thinking of her and Pru.
Prayers and good thoughts coming her way.
Kimberley Feathers-Sweetie, Mister Peanut & Big Mack Fur-Guinan, Mr. Spock, T'Mir, Cho, Toothless, Maverick & Maharet T'Pol, Elizabeth & Curzon TY, TJ, Light Fury, Madison & T'Pring Forever in my heart, Gizmo, Tucker, Khayman and the rest of my babies over the
Re: Prayers for Marys(pappy1264) Pru
[Re: Feather]
#912277 02/26/1009:57 AM02/26/1009:57 AM
I am so sorry to hear about Pru. When we can't do anything for our babies, all of us are so saddened. We all feel the sadness when one of us is going thru such a painful time in our lives. Mary - my heart and prayers are with you and Pru. I'll keep Pru and Mary in my prayers. There will always be hope in my heart for all the babies.
Thanks for posting about Pru Pat. I'm worried sick about her and will be anxiously waiting to hear from Mary in the morning. If you hear anything first, please let me know!
Many prayers, hugs and kisses to little Pru!!!!!
Keeper of Handprints on my Heart, You left your Footprints on my soul. My precious loves that left to quickly, Peanut, Katie Isabella, Kiwi, Bonnie and Monroe.
Spread your wings and glide free of pain, Until the day I see you again.
God speed my precious angels. I love you. Mama.
Re: Prayers for Marys(pappy1264) Pru
[Re: SugarBlossoms]
#914583 03/04/1002:39 AM03/04/1002:39 AM
i wish you could get another opinion on that since gliders being cut open dont fare well. the stress from the pain they just cant take also the loss of blood. i would try another alternative
Mary would like me to pass this on to everyone- "I wish there were other options, but she is dying and will die if this is not removed. There is NO QUESTION about that. It is risky and I do not enter into this lightly. It is the only chance she has and I have to try it. I don't believe her time here on earth is over and I have to give her the chance. I won't lie, I am terrified, but have the utmost trust in my vet and know it is in God's hands. Many would have written Timmy off. He was VERY BAD. I know they are not the same, but still it gives me hope. Pru is a strong little girl and I know she would want to fight. And if I don't due this, I will have to just put her down, as I cannot let her just wither away and die suffering. So although I wish things were different, they are what they are. I hope something (aside from her surviving) can also come from this....education. There is so little known about these precious creatures. So if something can be learned that may help others, even if she does not make it, her passing would not be in vain. Thank you all for the prayers and kind words. I love my baby and am praying God is not quite ready to have her come home........ I will contact Pat later. And one more thing I want you all to do.......love your babies every day. You never know what is going to happen and you never want to miss the opportunity to show them how much they are loved." I am hoping to hear nothing but good news from Mary this morning
Pat You have not lived until you have done something for someone who can never repay you.....Unknown
Rest in Peace our little sweet friends that have crossed over the "Rainbow Bridge". I miss you Boo-Boo, Lucy, BJ, and Fivel
Re: Prayers for Marys(pappy1264) Pru
[Re: ozzi]
#914673 03/04/1010:34 AM03/04/1010:34 AM
Pat, please tell Mary I think she is one of the bravest, strongest and most loving, people, of everyone I know. If love could save Pru, she'd already be healed. Mary has my forever admiration and love.
Sending 1000 prayers to both Mary and Pru!!! Please (as if you haven't already) let her know we're thinking about her and Pru!!!
Please keep us updated!!!
(ps ~ thank you, for letting us know!!! I miss Mary!!!! )
‡*Lauri -aka- Queen Of Everything*‡ :glider: Draven, Diego, Dirk, Delilah, KC & Sunshine :glider: (^-_-^) Mom to 2 cats - Missy & Furby (^-_-^) All around furbutt lover & Offical Member of the DB's Club
Pru is out of surgery and is CRABBING coming out of the anesthesia!!!!! Her crabbing sounds so beautiful!!!
It's NOT cancer!! Pru will need meds to help her poo, her intestines aren't pushing it through so it is hardening up in there. I know Pat can explain this better so I'll let him tell about it.
Pru's doctor has never seen nor can find where this has happened with other gliders. (not while alive) Pru is a trooper. Please pray for her a fast recovery!
Mary and Pru (((((HUGS)))))
Note: They will be at the vets for several hours yet to watch her closely!
Keeper of Handprints on my Heart, You left your Footprints on my soul. My precious loves that left to quickly, Peanut, Katie Isabella, Kiwi, Bonnie and Monroe.
Spread your wings and glide free of pain, Until the day I see you again.
Oh yeah! While Pru was coming out of the anesthesia, she was under Mary's shirt, Pru bit her!! Is't that just awesome!!! Well, not that Pru bit her but that Pru is awake and THAT fiesty! hehe
Keeper of Handprints on my Heart, You left your Footprints on my soul. My precious loves that left to quickly, Peanut, Katie Isabella, Kiwi, Bonnie and Monroe.
Spread your wings and glide free of pain, Until the day I see you again.
Mary and I have been speaking about Pru's condition at length. She called me after the surgery today to let me know that there is no uterine tumor, which is what her vet had suspected. In actuality, the vet found that Pru has a condition called megacolon. This condition is known in cats, dogs and rats, but has never been found in sugar gliders before. Merck's vet Manual lists anal infections as a possible cause of megacolon. Some of you will remember that last year Pru had surgery for impacted anal glands. The question is whether the megacolon was present already at that point or not. There is no way we will ever know. Pru's vet has agreed to write up Pru's medical history through and including today's surgery with the results for TGI to distribute to other veterinarians that see gliders. Once I have the documentation in hand, I'll be dispersing it accordingly.
Mary & Pru, I am so glad the surgery went well today and that there is no cancer present
Pru just POOPED all over herself!!!!!!! It's the first time she's "pooped" in over a month!!!! This is awesome!!!!!!!!
Keeper of Handprints on my Heart, You left your Footprints on my soul. My precious loves that left to quickly, Peanut, Katie Isabella, Kiwi, Bonnie and Monroe.
Spread your wings and glide free of pain, Until the day I see you again.
YAY pru!!!!! Nice Call on the surgery Mary.................that is yet another lesson we have learned.........................I would like to talk with you about it when things settle down for you and pru.......................Praying she continues to improve.
Pru's liver and everything inside of her looks GREAT!! (organs) She is on antibiotic, pain meds and a type of stool softener. She does not have any stitches so that she won't get itchy or anything. The incision was made near her pouch. She is in a body collar like she had before without the donut (like my vet does) and cannot get to her surgery site but can still eat fine.
For those that may not know, Pru is blind and is 9 years old. She also came from a bad situation where she was used as a breeder. Thank God she found her way to Mary!!
Keeper of Handprints on my Heart, You left your Footprints on my soul. My precious loves that left to quickly, Peanut, Katie Isabella, Kiwi, Bonnie and Monroe.
Spread your wings and glide free of pain, Until the day I see you again.
Ok, been a LONG TIME since I have been seen here but after today, I wanted to post. Thank you to EVERYONE for the good thoughts, prayers and words of encouragement. Pru has been amazing through all this and truly seems to be beyond explaination in how she has been through this and is still so strong. I don't know what tomorrow holds, but we are facing it together. Yes, she has megacolon. It can still be a death sentence, as it remains to be seen if we can manage it. One thing they did today was to put saline up inside her. This was for two reasons. One to make sure it was not a complete blockage (Pru has not pooped in over a month. All that has come out is very minute amounts of black liquid that would just smear, not even drip, the amound was so small. It was also very smelly.) Pru did have her anal glands removed last May, after an anal gland infection that caused her glands to abcess over. Five weeks on two meds (they were able to get a tiny bit out of one to do a c/s, so we know the meds were correct), the abcess did not heal and thus they had to be removed. My vet had never done it before, but spoke to Jens' vet and got pics from Erin (thank you both) that helped give her direction. Pru healed well from that surgery, but continued to 'huff'. We could not find a 'reason' and the strange thing is she would sometimes do it when not pottying (while eating, playing, etc). And btw, it is NOT the same sound I have heard my gliders make when they had UTI's. I now know the discomfort was from her insides were slowing down and things were backing up. This is still a very serious situation but she is holding her own. She is on antibiotics, pain meds, a stool softener and a gut motility drug to try to get things going again. It is also a possibility I will have to continue to do the 'saline thing' to keep things soft, we will see. She did poop today (never been so happy to have a smelly, poop covered animal in my life!) She is very tired tonight, keeping her on heat as she is having a little problem with regulating her temp (which we expected). Her incision is about an inch, and she is completely wrapped up. It is closed with glue, so there will be no 'itch' as it heals. She lapped little amounts of yogurt mixed with a tiny bit of pedialyte and took her meds. I go in and out to keep checking, but trying to let her rest, it was a LONG DAY TODAY for both of us!
As Suz said, there will be a write on all this.
One thing this has made me take a step back to at the very least ponder if all these gliders with anal gland issues and 'huffing' for no apparent reason may indeed have a cause that until this may not have even thought possible in gliders. It remains to be seen what this will mean in terms of helping other gliders. I will do whatever I can to get info out that may help others.
Again, I want to say 'thank you' for your kindness. Life keeps me pretty busy and as usually the case in my life, it can never be 'normal'...lol
I miss everyone here and think of you often. And when I meet people who are trying to learn, I always tell them the best place to go to learn.....here.
I will keep you posted. I will be logging back out. Things have not changed as far as me needing to keep my babies 'safe and hidden'.
Night Pru and Mary I love you both and all of your babies. Pru has been through so much with you, she is a fighter, she got it from you and how much love you give her and your babies. Pru is loved, she knows it thanks to you and how well you take care of them all!
MASSIVE MASSIVE for you and tons of glider kisses for Pru!
Keeper of Handprints on my Heart, You left your Footprints on my soul. My precious loves that left to quickly, Peanut, Katie Isabella, Kiwi, Bonnie and Monroe.
Spread your wings and glide free of pain, Until the day I see you again.
God speed my precious angels. I love you. Mama.
Re: Prayers for Marys(pappy1264) Pru
[Re: SugarBlossoms]
#915012 03/05/1001:48 AM03/05/1001:48 AM
Mary, I can't begin to tell you how happy I am for Pru. I'm crying as I write this! What a wonderful person you are! You are my hero.
Not only did you save Pru's life, but you have created a path to help other gliders, should it come to something like this. That is such an amazing thing!
I will keep sending prayers for Pru and you and I wait anxiously every day, to see her progress to complete healing.
Mary, You know I was happy to be here for you and will continue to be Thanks for posting an update about Pru yourself. I know that had to be hard for you but it was important for everyone to hear your perspective on Pru's condition and the upcoming treatment & prognosis.
As you said, this may have opened a HUGE door to explaining the cause of so many gliders' anal issues. Only time will tell, but the crack you've created is HUGE!
I am going to move this over to Health & Hygiene since this is such a huge medical breakthrough!
I am so glad to hear that Pru made it through the surgery, messy as it was I laughed when I read that she pooped all over herself.
I was away from the computer all day yesterday, Pat called me with the news that she was out of surgery and crabbing. Thanks Pat!
Give Pru a kiss for me. I hope she continues to do well.
Kimberley Feathers-Sweetie, Mister Peanut & Big Mack Fur-Guinan, Mr. Spock, T'Mir, Cho, Toothless, Maverick & Maharet T'Pol, Elizabeth & Curzon TY, TJ, Light Fury, Madison & T'Pring Forever in my heart, Gizmo, Tucker, Khayman and the rest of my babies over the
I just got off the phone with Mary. Sadly, Pru passed away about a half an hour ago while Mary was holding her Mary wanted me to make sure to post that she does not regret the surgery yesterday. She still feels that she had to try to save Pru and without the surgery, death was imminent anyway. She will bring Pru to her vet for a necropsy in the morning and has already spoken to her vet since Pru passed over the Rainbow Bridge. It is Mary's hope that Pru's diagnosis of megacolon will open a window of opportunity in the glider world to help other gliders who may have the same condition heretofore undiagnosed.
Mary also asked me to tell everyone "Thank you" for all the support and love she has gotten during this ordeal.
Pru is now gliding free with Roo and the other gliders who have gone before...
Rachel Home to now 13 lovely greys!2 mos, and 1 plat mo. Link, Zelda, Coffee, Crash, Sif, Lily, Thor, Loki, Damiana, Sammy, and Pollux and a loving husband
I just had a long talk with Mary. This is very heartbreaking Mary did all that she could have for Pru and was there for her at the very end. Pru is now out of any pain and "Gliding With the best of them" as her and I said. Glide free sweet Pru
Pat You have not lived until you have done something for someone who can never repay you.....Unknown
Rest in Peace our little sweet friends that have crossed over the "Rainbow Bridge". I miss you Boo-Boo, Lucy, BJ, and Fivel
Oh Mary I am so sorry to hear Pru did not make it You did everything you could for her. She lived a long happy life with you and I am sure she knew how much you loved her. Glide free sweet Pru!
Please keep me posted on what you discover about her condition!
I know our words cannot ease the pain in your heart, but may you find comfort in your memories of Pru.
Glide Free Little Pru Glide Free
Kimberley Feathers-Sweetie, Mister Peanut & Big Mack Fur-Guinan, Mr. Spock, T'Mir, Cho, Toothless, Maverick & Maharet T'Pol, Elizabeth & Curzon TY, TJ, Light Fury, Madison & T'Pring Forever in my heart, Gizmo, Tucker, Khayman and the rest of my babies over the
Re: Glide Free, Pru
[Re: Feather]
#915387 03/06/1012:23 AM03/06/1012:23 AM
I was so hopeful for this little girl Very sad for Mary now ~ she was so thrilled with the initial surgery outcome.
I too would like to learn more about her condition and what ultimately happened in the end. Thank all of you for the updates and sharing with us her medical story.
I didn't know what to say at the moment I got the call, just knew something was wrong immediately. This is so heart wrenching, there just aren't any words that will take away the pain of losing a precious baby. Pru is precious, for whatever reason, God thought it better for her to be in heaven. God speed little Pru to be with friends Roo, Katie, Monroe, Peanut, Izzy, Kiwi, Lucy and Fivel along with all of the precious babies gliding free without pain catching all of the bugs, chattering and playing.
I love you Pru and miss you. ((((((((HUGS)))))))) to Mary and may sweet memories of Pru help you through the sadness.
Keeper of Handprints on my Heart, You left your Footprints on my soul. My precious loves that left to quickly, Peanut, Katie Isabella, Kiwi, Bonnie and Monroe.
Spread your wings and glide free of pain, Until the day I see you again.
Mary, I'm so very sorry to hear about Pru. I know she appreciates all that you did for her and that she will be waiting for you across the bridge. Many (((((HUGS)))))
Chris Illusion, Malcom, Isabell, Annabelle, Zach, Isis, Aly & Indy AND Miss Emmy & Miss Chloe kitties
My Angels: You are always in my heart.
You've flown to the rainbow and wait there for me Someday I will join you together to be
Re: Glide Free, Pru
[Re: glidrz5]
#915448 03/06/1003:26 AM03/06/1003:26 AM
I was hoping when I came here to see good news. Im so sorry to hear that Pru is now gliding free over the rainbow. Hugs to you Mary you did all you could to help your baby .
Having Faith and Hope that some day soon.That all the world will come to see that all of gods babies deserve love and affection.
Oh Mary, I know words cannot express the pain you must be feeling right now. You had to do what you could to try to save her. I think we all know that. I'm sending you lots of hugs and prayers. I miss you and wish you would come back. Love you hon!!
Mary, through your courage, you gave Pru one more day with you. You give hope for future gliders. You educate the medical system, and you show us, how deep your love for all of your babies is.
I am so sorry for your loss of sweet Pru. She was truly a blessing and her death will not be in vain.
Glide pain free, viewing your heavenly domain with sighted eyes, sweet Pru over the rainbow bridge. You will forever be loved, missed and remembered, by so many.....
I want to personally thank everyone for the kindness that has been extended to me during this whole ordeal. My mind is still trying to process everything, but I do not have any regrets with the things I chose to do. Pru truly was an amazing girl. I would have had her three years this coming April. She was used (overused) to make babies. She NEVER should have been bred, she was blind. Although no one can say if this attributed to her situation, it certainly did not do her little body any good to be bred back to back to back, over and over. I am hoping that something that can help other gliders will come of this. I promise to get everything written up and sent to Suz, as she will make sure it gets where it needs to (my vet will also be writting something up, as well. She knows this info needs to be 'out there', so maybe other vets will start thinking 'out of the box' so to speak.)
Pru taught me that there is no such thing as a 'disability'. She lived a full life (after coming here) and wanted for nothing. She even learned to glide!!! She loved her family and didn't like to be far from them for too long. She was the matriach of the group and when Piper had Paige and Cole (she came her preggers), Pru never left their sides (she would wait for Piper to eat first then come back every night). They always rode on her back, not Pipers. She was so gentle and kind. (Well, when she came to me, she was very scared, but it didn't take her long to figure out she was safe and all crabbing stopped.) I still remember the first time I had out of cage time with her and Piper. Pru couldn't wait to explore (Piper took a little longer). But when she got scared, she would run to me and hold my finger (just as she did at the end). She would follow my voice and came to me when I called her.
I would keep a pic of how their cage was set up, so nothing would be 'different' when I changed things out.
She LOVED wax worms, and shortly before she passed, my bug order arrived. I cut a waxie open and held it for her as she licked it.
Her family is definitely being effected by her being gone. There was a lot of fighting in the cage last night and I had to keep running in there to break it up (that has not happened in a very long time). I am spending extra time with them, hoping I can help them as they grieve.
The night she passed, no one touched their food (well, except the worms, of course). They all know she has gone on ahead, I believe.
My vet cried yesterday. She told me Pru taught her so much, as well. (We had to laugh as we remembered her gliding in her office and giving both of us a heart attack!! lol) She said she is a true hero, and that she hopes her life and death will help others to help their gliders. She knows how important that is to all of us.
So as I end this (sorry for being so long winded), again I want to say thank you. Not just for the kind words about Pru, but for all I have learned here over the years. We have so much to learn but I am so thankful there are so many out there trying. My vet said to me yesterday 'many years ago, very little was known about ferrets, but medical science has come such a long way with them. I hope we will have the same thing with gliders.' Amen.
Here is a pic of my Pru, right after she came out of surgery last year for her anal gland removal. You can see she was holding on to my finger here, as well. I love this pic of her, she was such a good girl.
Love your gliders! Peace.
Last edited by pappy1264; 03/07/1011:42 AM. Reason: add pic
You're the best Mary... You gave Pru the best life she could have while she was with you
Ditto!!!!
(sorry to snatch your post Pat, but you always say things the best way.
Keeper of Handprints on my Heart, You left your Footprints on my soul. My precious loves that left to quickly, Peanut, Katie Isabella, Kiwi, Bonnie and Monroe.
Spread your wings and glide free of pain, Until the day I see you again.