I've seen some people say they replace a cup of the water with the green juice in HPW, and I've seen some people say they add it to the recipe.

Has anyone spoken to the person that made the diet about adding this?

If so, what's the proper way to do it? Replace water with it, or add it to the recipe?

I picked some up yesterday. I've got a picky eater that loves it, so I'm hoping he'll start eating more once it's added but I want to MAKE SURE to do it properly.

Also - garlic is listed on the ingredient list. Isn't that a toxic food?

I believe Peggy is the one who started using this. She would be the one to get the information from, about the way to add it, nutrition, ratios, etc.

There are brands without the garlic added. I'm not sure of the names because I don't use the green juice, but someone will be along who does know.

Peggy told me to add it to the mixture and not to replace anything. I found 1 brand of green juice in my area without garlic but now I don't remember the name. Just check the labels if it concerns you. I've been using one with garlic for 6 months and the amount of garlic is so minimal that it has not affected mine.

I have spoke with Peggy and she said I could share this with you.

Per Peggy,

"feel free to let others know what I am about to tell you, or if they have any questions to please feel free and email me at critterlove@critterlove.com


As for the Green Juice, I had started using this quite some time ago (almost two years). When I first started I was taking out a half of cup of honey and replacing it with 1/2 cup of green juice. I have done that for quite some time. However, after reading several different threads, gathering different information, I decided to do a full cup of Odwalla Green Juice and leaving the rest of the recipe the way it was originally written. I have had wonderful results with this."

I hope this helps everyone with the confusion.

Knudsons Mega Green Juice does not have garlic in it.

I am reading bottle right now say garlic in it 58mg

The Naked brand Green machine does contain garlic, there is NO EVIDENCE that garlic is toxic to gliders. I have been feeding this modified version of HPW for over a year now and my gliders love it and are healthier than ever

For those of us who follow the CA:PH ratio of 2:1, can you ask her what the ratios are when adding the green juice?

The rest of my email from her explains all this.

Per Peggy,

"Why do I do it? It has proven to be beneficial in my gliders health and coats. Do I know a *written* ratio for this? NOPE...I do not go by what is written on paper. Something may look good on paper, however it doesnt mean it is working properly with the way the gliders are digesting and absorbing the minerals and calcium they need. That is why I stress over and over, if someone is going to *create* a diet, it is a MUST that the gliders have blood work done. Not only in the beginning when all the changes are sure to show, but also throughout the gliders lives. This way if there is ever ANY reason for concern, lets say about the Ca:P ratios, or the AST/ALT levels (liver function)being off, it will show in a simple blood panel and the *creator* can make the people who use the diet aware of the concerns and/or problems that may be going on.

I hope I have been able to clear some of this up for you. And if you ever have any questions, please feel free to email me again.

Thanks again for the email,"


I believe Peggy is well respected in the glider communtiy and I know she has done tons of research and still researching to improve the lives of all sugar gliders. She has my respect always. Hope this helps clear up some things with all the confusion.

Thanks to everyone who responded!

I used up the last of the HPW I had made last night and I'm making a new batch tonight with the green juice.

I've never had a health problem with my guys, but if this could make them even healthier I'm all for it!

One more quick question:

Do you still feed them 1 tsp.? (tablespoon for 2 gliders)
Or do you feed them a bit more to account for the HPW mix being watered down with the green juice?

Peggy has indeed increased the amount to 1 Tablespoon. She asks that I please assure everyone that as soon as her final testing is complete, she will make it public for all to view her diet methods.

I did half cup of green juice in mine hpw today my hubby and I had some this morning wanted to know what it tasted like we like it more then i thought cus there was only half cup left lol

NGS,
Can you pleas ask Peggy what the ratio of the HPW is now with the green juice?
Thanks.

I have seen the recipe written where the green juice does replace 1/2 the water (so 1 cup juice and 1 cup water). I would think this would prevent the "watering down" of the diet without actually altering the diet.

Same here Kali. I'm really curious why the replacement. Maybe that's been answered, but would anybody mind explaining?

The Naked brand Green machine does contain garlic, there is NO EVIDENCE that garlic is toxic to gliders. I have been feeding this modified version of HPW for over a year now and my gliders love it and are healthier than ever

I just started using Adri's modified HPW recipe a couple weeks ago and my gliders love it!

I have 1/2 raised one joey on it (he was on the reg HPW for the first few weeks) so I'm not sure if it's the addition but he gained more weight than his sister's. He was 51 grams before he left for his new home. His mom is pregnant again and this baby looks larger than her other babies looked in the pouch.

Maybe I'm being optimistic but looks like it's making a diff. already.

Only downside....I am spending more money because now I like to drink the naked juice.

Is there any concern over the sugar (28 mg) content?
Seems kinda high to me considering the amount of sugar already in the honey.

I'm also confused as to if the juice is to replace a portion of honey (which I understand since there is a lot of sugar in honey) or if it's to replace a portion of water (which I don't get as water helps promote hydration and is completely healthy on it's own).

The sugar in Green Machine is natural sugar that you would naturally find in any fruit. Naked does not add sugars.

We use it to replace a cup of water. There is still plenty of water in a fruit juice.

Megs, please contact Peggy she can it explian it better than I can. Her email address was already posted in this thread for those who have more questions. You do have some good questions.

Maybe you can share with us after you speak with her.

Ok. Understood on the sugars aspect. Thanks for explaining that!

Now.. Why not replace a portion of the honey instead? It just seems to make more sense (to me anyway) to replace part of the honey to decrease sugar content, especially since 8 ounces of honey have 256mg of sugar.

Will do.

I have spoken with Peggy and gathered the following information. Quotes are direct:

" When I first started I was taking out a half of cup of honey and replacing it with 1/2 cup of green juice. I have done that for quite some time. However, after reading several different threads gathering different informationI decided to do a full cup of Odwalla Green Juice and leaving the rest of the recipe the way it was originally written. I have had wonderful results with this. In other words, I dont replace anything, the water or the honey."

" Do I know a *written* ratio for this? NOPE...I do not go by what is written on paper. Something may look good on paper however it doesn't mean it is working properly with the way the gliders are digesting and absorbing the minerals and calcium they need. That is why I stress over and over if someone is going to *create* a diet it is a MUST that the gliders have blood work done. Not only in the beginning when all the changes are sure to show but also throughout the gliders lives. This way if there is ever ANY reason for concern lets say about the Ca:P ratios or the AST/ALT levels (liver function)being off it will show in a simple blood panel and the *creator* can make the people who use the diet aware of the concerns and/or problems that may be going on.

I have NEVER done things on paper. I will continue to have my gliders tested and those that also feed my diet if they get blood work done we take that in as well."

"I have NEVER added any additional calcium into the HPW that is out there being recommended. Having too much calcium in a diet is VERY dangerous. It can lead to crystals in the urine and/or kidney stones which can and has lead to SMing gliders."

"All I can tell you about the ratios, is that the gliders that have been tested, their CA:P ratios have always come back right where they should be."

"I dont replace anything. I just add 1 cup to the recipe as it is written."

"What was my motivating factor for adding it? Everyone was concerned about the gliders not eating their fruits."

"I have been using it for almost two years now and just recently started telling people publicly. Why? Because I like to make sure the gliders I am using it on are doing fine on it as well. I like to have the proper testing done."

"Have I changed the amount? Yes, I have. I have increased my servings to 1T of HPW a night. "

"I have been working on improving the HPW for quite some time now and once the testing phase is over I will share with all my new diet layout."


These quotes are from 2 emails from Peggy in response to my initial email to her as well as my response to her (first) response. If there are more questions, I'm happy to ask them, or you can and share the answers here. Thanks.

Just to clarify, she is feeding 1 tablespoon of this to EACH glider per night?

And where oh where do I find the green juice????

I found it at the local grocery store here. It was in the produce department near where the refrigerated salad dressing and Pom juice is.

Target had it as well, but it was much more expensive. Walmart here didn't have it at all.

I got the Naked brand.

Kali,
Yes. 1 TABLEspoon per glider of HPW (WITH Green Juice) with the initial 1 TABLEspoon of fruits and 1 TABLEspoon of veggies.

A word of experience...some gliders will prefer the Naked brand above all others...if you smell it you will see why I had a glider lose 20 grams because she refused the Odwalla brand. Taste makes a difference to some.

The green juice I add is "Green Goodness". You can find it in the refrigerated section at Wal-Mart. It's made by Boathouse. I include 1/2 cup in ADDITION to the water. My gliders clean their plates every night. It does have a touch of garlic, but as been previously mentioned it's not enough to even be concerned over.

FYI It's Bolthouse Farms (not boathouse).
http://bolthouse.com/our-products

Here's the Green Goodness:
http://bolthouse.com/our-products/beverages/smoothies/green-goodness/detail

Adri, is Naked Green Machine at Wal-Mart do you know? And is it in the cold section? I have some super picky gliders and want to get the best tasting so I'm going to try the Naked brand 1st. But I think I may use it to blend with the spaghetti & butternut squash they refuse grrrrrr.

What about shelf life on these? I thought about checking Sam's Club. I get honey there anyway as it is much cheaper buying in bulk.

Surely we can use the nutritional info on the back to figure out it's ratio

Make a 20 minute YouTube video about it.

I'll think about it.

I went shopping for this today and I couldn't find it at Wal-Mart at all. They had every flavor of Naked BUT the green machine. I picked up a single serving of Odwalla to try it. Well, I went to Meijer next and they had the Naked green machine in 2 sizes. It's in the produce section with other specialty drinks (think Acai...). They only had 2 bottles of it but lots of the other flavors so I think it's pretty popular...

I bought the Naked brand at Winn Dixie (I think they're mostly in Florida). The wal-mart I checked didn't have it, but Target did.

Shelf life - mine expires May 6.

Nutritional facts:

2% of calcium
RDA is 1,000 mg of calcium a day. So that makes it 20 mg per serving.

It doesn't say how much phosphorus is in it, but on the back it lists the ingredients. One of the ingredients listed is 'chlorella'. It contains .4 grams of this. It contains 895 mg of phosphorus per 100 grams. (358 mg of phosphorus in the whole bottle). The bottle has 2 servings, so around 154 mg of phosphorus.

I'm sure the other ingredients add a bit of phosphorus too, but that's the only one that showed that it contained A LOT of it from my research.

That makes it about 1:8 ish. For the Naked Brand.

I'm wondering if some of the other brands have the same ingredients. Peggy says she feeds Odwalla, so I might look into that on my next batch of HPW.

Really though, I'm not too worried. It's such a small amount of the green juice - and it's spaced out over the entire batch of HPW.

I try to feed high calcium fruits and veggies anyway.

Maybe my math is WAY WAY off. It's quite possible.

IMHO - she's been feeding it for 2 years, and been getting blood tests for her gliders - and has had good results - that's enough for me. I *AM* going to get the same brand she uses the next time, though.

Thanks for the shopping info. I'll check Target, but I also have United & Albertsons.

I haven't done enough research to be worried about how much it changes the HPW in ratio.

But I DO like to keep my fruit/veggie servings' ratios right. And since I'm going to try to use this to mask the taste of some of the better veggies they don't eat, I'd like to see what I can find out ~ if I'm making the particular veggie's ratio better or worse by blending it with the Green Juice. I'll need to make sure they all like the flavor of it 1st. Then make sure how much I need to use to make them 'eat their veggies!' If I'm having to add so much as to dilute the veggie it will be pointless to feed that particular one. But I plan on trying it with several they won't touch.

I will be adding it to my HPW though.

Some times you will find them in the health food sections of your stores.

Hey gang,

So over the weekend I put together a batch with the following advice:

Instead of 2 cups of water:
1 3/4 cup of calcium fortified orange juice
1/4 cup of water

It's supposed to make the HPW ratio go to 2:1..

However my poor babies have horrible green diarrhea.. they may like how it tastes but my fears are realized: it's too acidic and too hard on their bodies..

I've been reading the threads and this green juice seems to work WONDERS for everyone else so I'll give it a shot..

INSTEAD of the 2 cups of water.. it's 1 cup green juice 1 cup water CORRECT??

I just want to get it right.. I don't like seeing my poor babies like this..

Thanks,
Missy

Contact Peggy for specific questions about any changes in the HPW recipe

http://critterlove.com/contact/contact.htm

As for adding the Green Juice - Peggy's current recommendation is to prepare HPW using the usual recipe and ADD 1 cup Odwalla Green Machine Superfood.

Increase the per glider portion of the mix to 1 TBS per glider.

The green juices bring a wide variety of additional vitamins and minerals to the mixture. They do not however contain enough calcium to increase the ratio. The Green Juices have 20 mg calcium per 8 0z bottle. The amount of phosphorus is not available in the product information on line. There will be at least a small amount of phosphorus. Even if the juice has only 0.5 mg (which would give a 40:1 ratio for the juice) the 20 mg calcium per 8 oz added HPW still gives a 0.98:1 ratio for the complete mix so higher ratio fruits and vegetables are still necessary.

Candy,

Thank you so much for all those details-- that's really sweet of you.

I'll email Peggy right away. Like I said I'm just really really concerned for how they're digesting their food.

Last thing I want is changing the HPW recipe to be better for them when in actuality it's harming them.

Missy,
The recipe that i follow is from a breeder named Adri, her website is www.sugarsensation.com, and her recipe is under her diet/nutrition section if u wana check it out.... Just remember that everyone feeds differently according to what works best for them

Just wanted to add that my Wal-Mart had all brands of the juices. Naked Green Machine & other flavors. Different Odwalla flavors & the Bolthouse brand in several flavors. All in the cold juice section by the dairy section.