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Re: Creamino/Albino Lines...
[Re: jacknsally]
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05/08/10 03:08 PM
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As far as I know there is only one albino line, that is why they are so rare. Priscilla or Sheila would be good people to ask about this.
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Re: Creamino/Albino Lines...
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05/08/10 05:32 PM
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Krys, the Moe and Disco line is also a cremino line. They've produced multiple creminos.
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Re: Creamino/Albino Lines...
[Re: Judie]
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05/17/10 02:30 PM
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I am trying to follow you here Judie... so correct me if I mess it up. The only albino line is Moe & Disco. So albino decendants of Moe & Disco (somehow) @ FFR became a creamino line. (Mars & Hera) But all in all... the is only 1 line of each... Moe & Disco - Albino Mars & Hera - Creamino Are Mars & Hera decendants of Moe & Disco? I'm sorry if I am messing it up. This all facinates me but it is very hard to get it all straight and I want to be sure I have it correct.
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Re: Creamino/Albino Lines...
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05/17/10 02:34 PM
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I have a little girl whose dad was from Moe and Disco so her lineage is 50% cremino/albino from just her dad's side
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Re: Creamino/Albino Lines...
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05/17/10 02:59 PM
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Actually Judie, not many pairings were matched up that way and some Creminos have been produced.
The albino has to carry both genes in order to produce the cremino color, but not all albinos produce both genes. So far I know that Princess, Alabaster, Victor (Caesar) carry both albino and Cremino genes. They have produced offspring when Paired with cremino hets from Susan's cremino lines and have produced creminos. This is the reason we don't see many of them born. Caeser was paired with WFB females that did not carry the cremino gene, or the albino gene. He is a het for both cremino and albino. Only 50% of his joeys born carried the double gene. One of those I owned and it died the day her first joey turned 8 weeks old. Her joey was neutered. I only retained one more of his joeys, Nikko and he has always been paired with a Mo Leu het. Many of their joeys were sold as pet only. Many of the 100% hets out of Caesar were were sold as albino hets and were bred for albino. The people who purchased them, purchased them to breed for albino, not cremino. Priscilla purchased a brother to Caesar named Dimples(Albino). He does not carry the Cremino gene. He had a son named Smiles who was albino who also did not carry the cremino gene because of course his father Dimples did not carry it and neither did his mother. It is my belief that only one of the parents, Mo and Disco carried the Cremino gene. That would mean that their joeys would be 50% het for cremino also, and not all the albinos born from them would be double hets. The babies born from mixing the two lines together that are creminos vary in color, but tend to be a lighter color when they go through puberty just as a Leu het, mo het, or wfb would change during that time also. Their eyes at birth are a deeper burgandy that the FFR ranch Cremino, but when the mixed joeys go through puberty, not only do their coats lighten, but their eyes do also. This is also the same for those babies that are line bred from the mo and disco line (Brulee and Solomon). It is my belief that Galileo that Kris owns is only albino. Many of the joeys stacie sold as creminos were actually albinos with no cremino gene and when people paired those with a het or another cremino from the ffr line they got normal double hets. The reason is because what they purchased from Stacie was actually albino, not cremino.
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Re: Creamino/Albino Lines...
[Re: Judie]
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05/18/10 07:45 AM
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So there is 2 creamino lines (FFR & Albino t+/Dilutes) That should technically be concidered 2 seperate colors because when bred together they do not produce the color. (Unless they are het for both lines) That is very interesting! I need to sit down with you two one day to learn all fo this... but I'd need a bottle of advil first! LOL
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Re: Creamino/Albino Lines...
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05/18/10 09:07 AM
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I'm not too familiar with the albino/creme-ino lines... I do understand the idea of "dilute" albino though... in the horse world, there really is no true albino. There are, however, cremello horses. To be an albino, a horse would have to have BOTH recessive albino genes (t-). The CREME gene (what we call t+) is dominant, which means that the horse needs only one to show the color cremello.
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Re: Creamino/Albino Lines...
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05/18/10 09:50 AM
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FFR bred Victor (Albino who throws Albino t+) into some of the Crem-ino lineages. This then would indicate she was working with Possible Double Hets trying to produce both colors.
Albino t+ glider is not a Crem-ino. It should be should be called Albino t+ Dilute and not a Crem-ino.
So we should actually call the 3 lines like this? Albino t- Moe & Disco (from Wherezat)Albino t+ Dilute ??? (from ???)Creamino Mars & Hera (from FFR)Who started the Albino t+ line? The glider(s) not humans, I mean...
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Re: Creamino/Albino Lines...
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05/18/10 10:38 AM
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WOW this thread has some great info
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