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Re: Tritrichomonas/Tri Trichs [Re: GliderNursery] #1238418
03/12/12 08:32 PM
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Sherri,

Just wanted to say that for myself, I certainly would never see you (or Nadine) as having a "stigma" attached to you. If I was in the market to buy gliders, you'd be on the top of my list BECAUSE of the amazing way you've battled and fought tooth and nail to make sure your babies were healthy and happy. It's because of your honesty, diligence, and love for your peanuts that would make me WANT to buy from you. Don't discredit how great and forthcoming and honest you've been by using that awful word, stigma. Your reputation as a breeder in my eyes has only gotten better through this circus-like experience.

Much love to you and your babies!


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Re: Tritrichomonas/Tri Trichs [Re: GliderNursery] #1240887
03/19/12 04:45 PM
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There is now a PCR test that is not strain specific that can be used... Both initial tests of gliders that were vet diagnosed with a tritrich via wet mount (one in washington and one in texas) have now come back in POSITIVE on the PCR test. ALthough it does not identify the strain we can pretty much rule out that it is NOT the t.foetus strain (based on the fact that t.foetus strain testing has come back negative)

Re: Tritrichomonas/Tri Trichs [Re: GliderNursery] #1240890
03/19/12 04:59 PM
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As Chris said, Cab tested positive for tritrichonomas frown I asked them WHCIH strain but they don't test for that-just if there is tritrichonomas. I am currently looking for a place that does test for strains but so far no such luck. If anyone can tell me a place that tests for specific strains please let me know!--Esp if they can also tell me what to do. My veterinarian is thinking about putting Cab on Ronidizole which kills all protazoa but has never been tested on gliders that she knows of so I want to know if their are other (already known) options.


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Re: Tritrichomonas/Tri Trichs [Re: GliderNursery] #1240908
03/19/12 05:30 PM
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Danielle, have your vet contact Dr Cathy Delaney (she already has the number) as she listed two other treatments that she is going to try on another positive glider and I dont believe either one of them was Ronidizole

Re: Tritrichomonas/Tri Trichs [Re: GliderNursery] #1240918
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I think I'm annoying my vet honestly lol.


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Re: Tritrichomonas/Tri Trichs [Re: GliderNursery] #1240924
03/19/12 06:12 PM
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Northwest Missouri
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When I talked to her she came across as very open to consulting with anyone with more knowledge/treatment plans on the subject.. You just want your Cab all better, I think she understands that {{{{{huggs}}}}}

Re: Tritrichomonas/Tri Trichs [Re: kitsune] #1243746
03/28/12 10:25 PM
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Someone asked earlier - if there was a quarantine period. I looked but haven't seen an answer. Does anyone know? We have two that have trich. They are on wormer and antibiotic. Will it ever be gone, or is this something we'll have to live with forever...


Thanks,

Re: Tritrichomonas/Tri Trichs [Re: GliderNursery] #1243799
03/29/12 08:04 AM
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To early to tell as the first ones that were diagnosed via Zoologix multi-strain PCR are in their first treatment period....

Are your gliders that were diagnosed what are their symptoms/ages and how were they diagnosed..

Re: Tritrichomonas/Tri Trichs [Re: GliderNursery] #1260499
05/23/12 09:38 PM
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So my boy has just tested positive for tritrich (via Zoologix) he was OOP 1/29/12 and had Ick as a joey. The breeder had told me it was only a yeast infection but now I guess that is proven wrong. When I got him he became very ill within a week and we have been in and out of vets trying to figure out what was wrong.. Just as I thought everything was moving in the right direction.. I get these results. They didn't tell me a strain, just when I called zoologix today that it was a strong positive. frown

Which meds if any have been used that are safe for him to take. After reading about the cat treatments it scares me to use some of it on him. Has anyone used the bird meds successfully or is it a different strain? Since he spent Saturday with what will be his cagemate before I got the results (her test was negative) how long until I should expect her to show positive? This doesn't seem like a death threat, just more of an inconvience as long as I'm not breeding them right?


:lol: Just trying to keep up.. so much to do so little time :lol:
Re: Tritrichomonas/Tri Trichs [Re: GliderNursery] #1260502
05/23/12 09:41 PM
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North Central Ohio
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I'm sure a couple people that have had experience with this will come along with some help for you. So sorry you and your joey are having to deal with this.

I hope you have been in contact with the breeder. If not, they should be notified right away so they can get vet care and hopefully quarantine their gliders.


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Re: Tritrichomonas/Tri Trichs [Re: GliderNursery] #1260503
05/23/12 09:50 PM
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I think he knew! when I said I was going to do the test he said it was a waste of money... that it would probably have a "false positive" ?!? which made me think.. and actually why I ended up doing the test. He even offered to help with my crazy vet bills and send my sweater back.. but no he has done none of those things. I'm not holding my breath he cares or wants others to know he has this issue. He even encouraged me to mate my (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets glider with his Joey and that it wouldn't be the end of the world.. frown very bad advice.. just lucky I had NO intentions of breeding.


:lol: Just trying to keep up.. so much to do so little time :lol:
Re: Tritrichomonas/Tri Trichs [Re: GliderNursery] #1260505
05/23/12 09:55 PM
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North Central Ohio
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Wow!


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Re: Tritrichomonas/Tri Trichs [Re: GliderNursery] #1260509
05/23/12 10:20 PM
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Yeah, it's been emotional. Everything from crying to anger..

Last edited by lhill; 05/24/12 09:29 AM.

:lol: Just trying to keep up.. so much to do so little time :lol:
Re: Tritrichomonas/Tri Trichs [Re: GliderNursery] #1263600
06/04/12 11:43 PM
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Seriously that is not ok. Who did you buy from? I just feel the community should be alerted to who they are as they are knowingly selling sick gliders. Can you legally go after him for selling you a sich sug knowingly? It may be something to look into just to help you cover vet bills for your baby. Hope they get better quick.


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Re: Tritrichomonas/Tri Trichs [Re: GliderNursery] #1264001
06/06/12 01:56 PM
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have there been any updates if the tritric. could be the t muris strain?

ihill, who is this male breeder that is selling these tritec babies? these types of breeders are a threat to
all gliders by helping spread this parasite.

breeders/buyers have to be aware of bad breeders like this.

i am sorry abt. your and caron's joeys showing up with this tritric.

if you read this whole posting, besides the meds. from the vet, probiotics also seem to help.

please keep us up to date, if you will. good luck to the both of you and your joeys.

take care,
nancy in detroit

Last edited by hwh4ev; 06/06/12 02:00 PM.

regards,
nancy in roseville (formerly in detroit)
Re: Tritrichomonas/Tri Trichs [Re: GliderNursery] #1264913
06/10/12 12:55 AM
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I'm curious as well. This is an important health topic in our community, so any updates would be appreciated. I wonder wither the tri trich would continue to show up on PCR tests even after it has been cleared, and for how long? Like when you vaccinate a cat for FIV, they will show up positive on ELISA tests forever just because their immune system has "seen" the virus, even though they dont have it and can't shed
it. Obviously tri trich is a protozoa, not a virus, but I wonder if the same holds true. Ive also seen a dog that got Lyme disease, and was
treated with antibiotics and recovered fine, years ago. But whenever we do his annual heartworm and Lyme test, he will always show up as positive because his body recognizes the disease and carries the antibodies. So, unless you did, say, 100 fecals and never found the tri trich protozoa again, how could you know whether a positive PCR test, say, a year after successful treatment with no further symptoms, is just showing that the glider had the bug at some point and cleared it, or still has it and continues to shed it. Also a contributing factor is that gliders don't provide a lot of fresh feces to have adequate sample size for testing. 5 grams of fresh feces is preferred for an accurate fecal test, otherwise you'll wind up with a lot of false negatives. Also, being a protozoa, I'm certain that tri trich sheds in cycles just like other intestinal parasites, so depending on when the sample is collected, the live bugs could be in the glider and just not showing themselves under the microscope. Most of this is just coming from my experience as a vet tech and reading thousands of fecal tests throughout my career, from a wide variety of animal species, looking for many types of intestinal parasites under the microscope. Parasitology and microscopy are passions of mine.


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My dogs: April May & Rica, both miniature Dachshunds, & Riker, border collie
My cats: Turbo, Monty, & Mojo
Re: Tritrichomonas/Tri Trichs [Re: GliderNursery] #1264999
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Ryark, you offer up some good questions. I am not educated in veterinary medicine but I can give you and the rest of the people interested here a bit obi fo from my experiences.
First, the trichonomas that our gliders have does not present itself as a false positive after it is gone. I had tests done on my gliders. 4 of 30 tests came back positive in my original round of testing. The cages that had positive results with exception of one, had No symptoms. I changed diet and added a probiotic to their diet. The cage that had exhibited symptoms was given a 21 day round of metronidazole. The other three cages only had diet change with added probiotic. After three months I retested the cage that had symptoms and one other cage that had tested positive originally. BOTH results were NEGATIVE!!!
I am beyond happy about this but I am taking one additional step to ensure this is not a false negative caused by the probiotic. I am now removing the probiotic from the diet in those two cages and I will retest again in three months.
The ONLY lab who has a test that actually finds the trichonomads in our gliders via PCR (that we have found to date) is Zoologix in CA. The amount of feces required for the test is much less than the amount Ryark mention is necessary for an accurate result. It states that a small amount is sufficient right on their site. The other awesome thing about Zoologix test is that there doesn't need to be a live Protozoa to detect. It looks for the DNA/RNA. It doesn't look for anitgens or antibodies.
When the third test is completed, I will post again. At this point, after talking to several vets and researchers, I feel even more convinced the trichonomads in our gliders could very well be native to the gut flora and display themselves in much larger, detectible amounts when their gut Ph is not right. Just as yeast grows in excess in their gut when PH us out of balance, the trichonomads love that type of unbalance as well.
I hope this helps anyone who may be reading.


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Re: Tritrichomonas/Tri Trichs [Re: GliderNursery] #1265030
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Thanks for that information! Very interesting and valuable information.


My gliders: Satchmo & Abra, Fedora & Tesseract, Nifty & Fabulous, and the pet-only colony of Mariel, Matthias, Briny, Scrum, and Picard

My dogs: April May & Rica, both miniature Dachshunds, & Riker, border collie
My cats: Turbo, Monty, & Mojo
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