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Posted By: Xfilefan

Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/17/08 08:25 AM

Guess Mr. Snuggles decided he liked his newest cagemate a bit TOO much. cry I've been really sick, and other than the daily head counts, and watching the guys eat (I was off work 2 nights really ill) and play some, I didn't handle them for a few days-Nails were done Monday night and all was well with everyone then.

Had been up since Friday morning at 7 am, after sleeping on/off for about a day trying to kick this bug-got off work Sat. morning, and sat down to give all the guys some mealies on my lap (in their pouches) before I went to bed. First pouch was Flip, Snuggles, and Myst (who's been with them since shortly after Lyah died-no issues or more than the normal, minor spats. Looked down at them eating their bugs and there's this huge HOLE in Myst's neck!

Anyway, to make a long story short (and I'm going on less than 4 hours nap) I called the vet and ran her down there-the wound wasn't fresh-it had been there a couple days (and true to glider form, she didn't act like it was even there)- the size of a Nickel, and all the way through to muscle frown , Dr. Harris had to trim the edges of the wound and debride it, and stitch it closed-my poor little girl has this big stitched wound on her neck! frown She got a shot of Buprenex and antibiotic while she was under, and will be on Clindamycin and Torb for a bit. So far she seems to be handling it okay-not trying to mess with or scratch it, but it sure is nasty looking. upset

And she won't be able to go back with her friends-I have no idea what I'm going to do for a cagemate for her now, but I have until she's better to figure that out I guess. This little girl was neglected and starving when I got her-had lost the ends of 4 toes on one front hand due to her conditions (she eventually grew back 2 of the nails), lost her sister Dec. 11th, and now this. shakehead I think she and I both could have done without this week entirely.

I got some pics, not of the wound before the vet-I was in a bit of a rush to get her to Dr. Harris- but after with the stitches, and I'll take some new in the a.m.-I'll post when I get home in the morning.

Guess I should add that Mr. Snuggles IS a neutered male.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Mating Wound-Myst - 02/17/08 09:35 AM

OH NO SWEETIE, that's AWEFUL!!! cry hug2 I can't believe that's happened; they all seemed to be doing so well together! Its hard for me to even imagine Snug ever causing anyone else injury, but obviously *something* went wrong. upset I have no control over it, but I still feel guilty that one of my babies would ever hurt one of yours. frown I know you'll take good care of Myst; I hope she recovers fully, quickly, and without any complications whatsoever! In the mean time, take as good of care of yourself as you possibly can as well so that you can also get better, and CALL ME if you need any help or anything!
Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: Mating Wound-Myst - 02/17/08 10:00 AM

No one ever knows until it happens, and sometimes it does with one cagemate, never to happen with another. dunno Apparently the two shouldn't be in the same 'house'-I just hope he doesn't decide to do the same to Flip now. worried Then I'd be in a real mess. All I could say was thank God for second jobs! shakehead I'll tell you, tho, unless it was him, it would be Flip and I'd guarantee it wasn't her. Myst weighed in at 125 grams today, and could sit on Flip if she wanted to-not that Flip weighs much less, she's just more petite. hug2 Flip pulled her hair off again the last few days (guess I know why) but there's not a mark on her otherwise. Don't feel bad-if I had thought it would happen I wouldn't have put them together, and it doesn't matter in how I see him (although I did call him a meanie, and ask him why he felt the need to do that-I still love the little guy) hug2
Posted By: JayAndDiana

Re: Mating Wound-Myst - 02/17/08 01:57 PM

So sorry you are going thru this Jen hug2
Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/17/08 05:04 PM

Okay, here's the pictures. First three are from yesterday afternoon, last two are from this morning. My poor little girl! frown need_hug It is looking like it's healing well so far, though.



Attached picture Myst just after vet 02 16 07 1.jpg
Attached picture Myst just after vet 02 16 07 2.jpg
Attached picture Myst wound 3 02 16 08.jpg
Attached picture Day 2 Myst 1.jpg
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Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/17/08 05:16 PM

Poor little girl frown Hope she heals fast. hug2 sent her way.
Posted By: tbull

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/17/08 05:18 PM

poor baby. Give her extra mealies and loves from us. hug2
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/17/08 06:10 PM

Thinking about you and Myst! I hope she has a speedy recovery! hug2 to both of you
Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/17/08 06:21 PM

She won't stop crabbing at me today-like I did this. frown I've got a little hospital cage I'm keeping in near me (black pvc coated wire, 18"x12"x24"- it was Riker's years ago when he was in the ecollar)-just took her with me to drop my son off at work, and if I even look at her she crabs! cry Gave her some mealies in her cage right now she's eating-I know she's missing her cagemates but I can't let her have them. frown She had her Torb and Clindamycin just a couple hours ago-not sure if this is all because she's lonely, in pain, or what, or everything. frown
Posted By: LSardou

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/17/08 06:25 PM

hug2 Jen, I'm sorry to hear this about your sweet little girl. Hopefully, she will come to realize that 'mommy Jen' is trying to make things better.
Sending you tons of hugs and prayers!!!!! hug2
Posted By: sugarlope

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/17/08 07:18 PM

I'm so sorry you and Myst are going through this! I hope your little girl gets to feeling better soon and I hope you are feeling better soon as well!!! hug2 hug2 hug2
Posted By: ozzi

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/18/08 01:19 AM

Hi Jen,
Sorry to hear you and Myst are going through this. It is just a real nightmare to have this happen, and a long healing process. I am still on the trail of what causes one glider to chomp away on another like mine do, or did, they are still separated and will be for quite a while it seems. That is the toughest part for me, having to keep them apart while BJ heals but what are the options???
My best to both of you,
Feel better.....Pat
Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/18/08 08:45 AM

I was going to bring Myst to work with me tonight, but one thing to understand about Myst, is as a new rescue she was incredibly wild, and while she settled lots in 3 years, still has a wild streak in her, and although will tolerate handling, she does not seek it in any way, shape or form, beyond asking for and taking treats from you. She is only pettable when eating or in her pouch. She settled quite a bit more after Lyah's death with Snug and Flip for cagemates, and seemed to lose that wary edge she always had. Unfortunately, I think I'll need to look for another little girl to share her life. But back to work. Her stitches, despite being a bit dry, were looking so good, I felt I could leave her home (since bringing her would have been more of a stressor, and not comforting with this one), so I gave her her meds, coated her stitches with Neosporin to help keep them soft, and she was eating when I left work. Tomorrow I'm going to start mixing the Silver Sulfazadine with the Neosporin to dress the wound with, and help more with soothing and healing.

Now, one thing I'm not sure if I should have done, and on the other hand think it was best, is left her hospital cage near Snug and Flip's so they can 'talk' and see each other. On the one hand, she needs the company, though won't understand why she can't be with them, and on the other I don't want either thinking the other has died or something. ohwell Thought about putting her next to Clotho and Gaea but for that.

No redness, swelling, or heat in the area so far, and she's acting pretty normal, if not quite as active, for her, so things seem to be going well. At least she finally stopped crabbing at me for looking at or talking to her-silly girl. smile For most of today you'd have thought we were right back at her first 6 months with me. shakehead
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/18/08 09:38 AM

I'm glad she's stopped being so grumpy with you, and that the wound seems to be healing well so far. hug2 I know she's never been really big on people, so I'd agree that it's probably good to keep her hospital cage near Flip and Snug for the time being, considering the personalities of the gliders involved. If Flip's been pulling out her fur again, I'm SURE she's doing it because she's worried about Myst, and if Myst were to suddenly dissapear on her completely then Flip might make herself sick with the worry and stress caused by that. Also, if Myst can at least talk with her friends for the time being, until you've figured out a better friend arrangement for her, then hopefully she'll take some of this new seperation a bit better as well - she really has been through quite a lot in the past few months already!

I know you still love Snug, and I do too, but gee - it really was a meanie thing for him to have done! frown

. . . this whole thing kinda reminds me though, have you talked with Dr. Harris about the possibility of putting Flip on some kind of anti anxiety medication yet? I remember you suggesting it as a possibility for her before, and I'm just thinking that as poorly as Flip handles change, now might be a good time to try it.
Posted By: sugarglidersuz

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/18/08 11:52 AM

Jen, I was OOP for the weekend so am just now seeing this... I'm sorry that Myst got wounded and that you were so sick last week frown Hopefully all will be better now. I'm glad Myst has stopped being so mad at you though smile Keeping both of you in my thoughts & prayers hug2
Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/18/08 01:39 PM

Jennifer, while I was down there there were a couple things I should have asked about and couldn't think-it's amazing I was still on my feet, and I even told her while watching her stitch Myst that there were things I had wanted to ask about, and finally gave up for that visit. You KNOW you look bad when you vet says, when you walk in the door "My God you look terrible!", lol ohwell I can hardly remember the last time I was/am that sick. Myst is going to have to go back, and I'll ask then. agree
Posted By: Usha77

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/18/08 03:04 PM

hug2 Jen, I'm so sorry you and Myst are going through this. hug2
Posted By: minkasmom

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/18/08 04:10 PM

Jen: Just catching up on all this, have been having my own issue with Minka having re-opened her shoulder wound this weekend...it started bleeding a little & I went spaz last night trying to get it to stop (it didn't bleed that much, I just was panicking) . Poor girl is all taped up & restrained & was rather angry at me for even TRYING to help her.

I hope that Myst doesn't go too crazy from being isolated. It's such a hard thing to have to do, I know, but it HAS to be done & that's that. I'm very glad to hear there are no signs of infection...that's always a good step in a right direction. The hardest part is having to stare at that wound for probably 3-4 weeks to come! frown It hurts US worse than it hurts them...*sigh*
Posted By: SugarBlossoms

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/19/08 06:28 PM

hug2 hug2 Myst will heal up fine Jen.. I wish I had an answer for her having a cagemate. I have a few of the wild rescued ones too so I know what you mean. Myst is a beautiful girl, I love her sweet face!

I hope you are feeling better. Once everything calms down (if there is such a thing (lol), it will all come into perspective. You sure do need a break girl! Life has been too hard!

hug2
Posted By: tbull

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/19/08 06:59 PM

hug2 to you and Myst. Hope you both feel better soon. hug2
Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/19/08 07:31 PM

When I first got them, both starving, you could barely tell Myst and Lyah apart. Myst was 63 grams, Lyah was around 74-both over year old adults. Myst, though, was missing 4 toes on one front hand from tearing them off on a pouch-she regrew 2 after about 2 years, the other 2, but for a tiny fragment on the center front toe, will never come back-she lost too much of the fingers. Their nails were SO long, they couldn't let go of the side of the cage, so FOUR TRIMS later the night we brought them home, we finally dared put a pouch in for them (there was none in the cage at the home show-these are CCW gliders). Two little sisters I brought home at about a year old (or so, he wasn't sure), just before Halloween, 2004.

Lyah ended up psychotic over food. She had to stuff herself as fast as she could for fear it wouldn't be there, and nothing I could do would stop it. Rather than separate them (which likely would have killed them both), I accommodated so they could stay together. Lyah reached a max of 194 grams, Myst, until about 8 months ago, I couldn't get over 93 (she weighed in at 125 at the vet Saturday, and is FINALLY not looking anorexic!) She was 118 last Sept, but that was recent gain. The vet brought Lyah up at Saturday's appointment, and thinks she may have had some diabetes, considering the rapid tooth loss...unfortunately she got the pneumonia and succumbed to it so fast, we didn't have a chance to work with that. Lyah, though, even at her weight, had the MOST BEAUTIFUL face I've ever seen, even the vet thought so. She was truly striking. They never quite trusted completely though-I can only imagine what it took to break trust THAT badly. frown

Myst WAS getting better though, after being with Snug and Flip. The crabbing had stopped, she would actually let me pet her without flinching, then this. cry The crabbing is better than the first day of surgery, but it's like we're halfway back to square one! I sent sil a PM asking about a girl when she's healed, so we'll see where that goes. This little girl has been through SO much.

Edit: I have one of Elisabeth's (sil) girls, my Gaea. She's a beautiful little WFB (my only one) and came to be Clotho's companion when Chronos died. Those two are inseperable, and SO alike, even though Clotho literally makes TWO of Gaea, lol. Gaea is around 90 grams, Clotho is one of Monster's (Sugar monsters-Gina) joeys and around 190 grams. Sil's joeys are SO sweet, unfortunately, when trying intros, Gaea and Clotho did not like Myst at all, and apparently it was mutual. Riker and she were hate at first sight (no surprise, Riker refuses to have a cagemate, but it seems it went both ways). So I'm out of options as far as existing gliders. I think a little girl (since she had always been with her sister, previously, all her life) is the way to go, now.
Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/19/08 07:38 PM

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I am still on the trail of what causes one glider to chomp away on another like mine do, or did,


THAT question I can answer. It is OUR fault. Or rather, the fact we keep them in cages. If a male is intent, there is only so far a girl can go, she will get tired, and he will catch her, eventually. In the wild, they can go as far as they need to, join another wild colony if necessary, to get away. That does not happen in a cage. Most of us can't even have 30 foot cages in our homes, and that would be small compared to the 40 or so ACRES a colony roams daily, not including up and down in the trees.

The same is true for Self Mutilation. It would NOT happen in the wild. Breeding practices (genetics, mills, inbreeding) and captivity have a LOT to do with it. They aren't busy fighting to survive every day in our homes (distraction)-a wild glider is never BORED. What, honestly, do we expect? A 5 foot cage seems big for such a small animal, but really it's not. And how many of us religiously have our gliders out in the tent or whatever even an hour a day?

Something to think about.
Posted By: ozzi

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/19/08 11:43 PM

Thank you for that. I sit hear and read posts quietly, and add a little here and there to others posts, have a couple of my own. I have 2 (LOVE OF MY LIFE) gliders and have had them since weenie beanies, fed them with an eye dropper and the whole 9 yards. I have come to, and had to, learn a lot about Gliders as I didn't even know what they were when I got my first one. I just saw one and it was LOVE at first sight. Must sound familiar. Mine are extremely friendly and when I bring them with me places people just adore them and you know what? I discourage them all about having them as pets. These amazing creatures DO NOT belong in anyone's cage, anywhere. Just because they are "Cute and Fuzzy" creatures we keep them in cages for a LIFETIME of captivity. Hey, I am certainly an offender to that and that is a sad fact. I love these guys more than I do most people and I spend LOTS of time with them but the sad fact is they are up and TRAPPED IN A CAGE and I am sleeping. The "OUT OF CAGE time we give them (isn't that sweet of us), no matter how long it is is a joke. I put my little buddies in their cage when I have to go to bed and they claw me not to put them in. I have built a monster cage for them, 6' tall, 5' long, 2 1/2 ' wide. No matter. A cage is a cage. Do they get BORED??? Wouldn't you. And yes, the females have no place to run, as they would in the wild.
Now, just like so many others, I have to keep Boo and BJ separate cause Boo chews on BJ's neck http://www.glidercentral.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/467432#Post467432 and that has been the worst. Now not only are they in cages, they are in separate cages and I guarantee they can't begin to imagine why, or what in the [censored] is going on. Sure it is for their best till BJ heals but so much of this, and all of these tragedies I have been reading about here would NOT happen if we did not have our "EXOTIC" pets in cages. All you Glider lovers out there that truly love your gliders will probably bash me but when you, as I have, reach a certain level of consciousness about what we are and what we are doing to animals in general, it is VERY HARD to look these guys in their sweet eyes with any peace as they stare out at you from inside their cages or claw me to not go back in their cages. Their cages are always clean. Their houses are always clean. A cage is a cage is a cage.
Till the day these guys cross over "Rainbow Bridge" they will be spoiled rotten. I have an outdoor tent for them in the warmer months, they have their own room in the house, but never again will I keep an animal in a cage. ANY animal. Males should always be Neutered when they are (Unfortunately) sold as pets.

Rest in Peace Fivel and Lucy. I am sorry you were born into a life of captivity but please know I did the best I could for you.

I will keep reading the posts and offer hopefully helpful information when I can.
I know you all LOVE your little ones.
Sorry this is so long Xfile Fan but you touched on a good point. I wish you and Myst all the best.
Pat

Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/26/08 06:01 PM

Myst has her appointment with Dr. Harris to get her stitches out Saturday morning at 9 a.m. I'll try and get some more pics-she's difficult with that...it really takes two to keep her from hiding away from the camera, and if I take her out she'll bound away, lol, so. I'll see if my son will help.

Her hair is greasy looking from the mix of neosporin, silvodine cream, and E I've been putting on it, but the wound itself looks good so far. A little drier than I'd like, but at this altitude, even with all the ointments, and a humidifier, it's so dry it's hard to keep moisture in anything. I'll post pics if I have them before then, or update after the vet.
Posted By: pappy1264

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/26/08 06:09 PM

Prayers that everything will be ok. These little ones sure keep us on our toes!!
Posted By: sugarlope

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/26/08 06:48 PM

Hope everything goes well at her appointment! hug2
Posted By: SugarBlossoms

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/26/08 08:29 PM

dance Stitches coming out! Myst will be much more comfy once those come out. I hope she will hold still long enough for a couple of pictures, if not, don't stress it. You're one of THE best glider moms there is Jen! Myst will be fine! hug2
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/27/08 06:42 AM

. . . I was going to say, before *I* ended up getting sick myself and forgetting to because I could barely even sit at the computer, that I don't blame you in the least for fogetting to ask about Flip and some sort of anti-anxiety medication - I forget stuff ALL THE TIME, so it'd be so NOT fair for me to bust you for it! wink hug2 I just mentioned it because I wasn't sure if you'd already asked at some other appointment, or if you'd put the idea out of your mind for a while because she'd been doing better again, or whatever.

I promise that I'm not more concerned for what Flip might do than for what Myst has already been through; I just don't want you to have to worry about any more sick or injured gliders than you need to, and I know Flip's patterns. hug2 I *will* say that I'm REALLY glad that the wound seems to be healing well, and that there haven't been any complications with that; it still SUX that she got that wound, but a wound that heals properly is much better than one that ends up with complications along the way.

If you need an extra pair of hands on Saturday morning, just let me know and I'll be there! (I've even got a digital point-and-shoot camera in my purse at all times now, if you need some help getting pics - I'm such an uber camera-nerd! wink )
Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 02/27/08 04:06 PM

Jennifer, you're more than welcome to come-if you'll be there I'll bring your babies for you to visit with-you don't need any other reason. hug2 Another pair of hands on a camera would be welcome-yours are a LOT better than mine on quality, and some of stitches coming out would be great if you'd like to do that. I'd intended to take pics of them coming out, since I didn't manage to get them going in. ohwell

And I hadn't forgotten, but just was so tired I couldn't think at all by the time I got in there. I do have valium, but I think the vet has others she might want to try, too, that she'd be more comfortable with...she brought some of them up before Flip came for another situation. I even had to call the next day and ask when she wanted me to bring Myst to have the stitches come out! shakehead
Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/01/08 03:24 PM

River...I'm on my way now with your babies. I know you said you'd be tired, but hope you make it. Will update on Myst when we get home.
Posted By: sugarlope

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/01/08 08:37 PM

Just checking in to see how Myst is doing. Hope she is doing ok. hug2
Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/01/08 10:15 PM

Myst is doing well. She did tear a hole back open, it was under some scabbing, but it's only skin deep-meaning skin just has to fill in now. The majority of it stayed closed. smile No sign at all of infection-nice color to the surrounding skin, appetite and activity is good. I'm to keep putting the Silvodine/neosporin on it until it's healed completely. RiverStone and I both got pics (hers will be better, trust me), and we'll get them up as soon as we can. For now, I need to get at least a few hours sleep since I have to work tonight. So that's it for now, other than we had some good bonding time, but she is a little stressed from being out in a carry pouch so long-something she isn't used to. Yet.

And sort of off_topic - Jennifer, here is the thread with the pics I told you about (Last I knew the pics worked):

http://www.glidercentral.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/240796
Posted By: morksmom

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/01/08 11:01 PM

Glad to haer things went well. Take care of yourself too. smile
Posted By: SugarBlossoms

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/01/08 11:08 PM

I'm sooo happy to hear Myst is do better!! dance

hug2
Posted By: sugarlope

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/02/08 02:23 AM

clap So glad to hear she's doing better! I hope the skin heals quickly for her and that she doesn't have any more problems! hug2
Posted By: Usha77

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/02/08 02:29 AM

Good News! laugh I hope she continues to get all better!
Posted By: ozzi

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/02/08 02:38 AM

So glad to hear that Myst is doing well thumb
Pat
Posted By: sugarlope

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/05/08 01:51 AM

Just checking in to see if Myst is still doing better. hug2
Posted By: Suggiegramma

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/05/08 02:35 AM

Great to hear she's doing better!
Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/05/08 09:49 AM

The last open area is healing very slowly, but is healing. I'll try and get the pics up after my errands in the morning.
Posted By: SugarBlossoms

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/05/08 09:53 AM

Myst will be over this before you know it Jen! You're the best glider mommy!! hug2
Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/05/08 09:01 PM

Here are the pics I promised. From just before stitches out, the procedure itself, and today. It looks worse than it is, because the neosporin makes the color more intense. Bear with me, there's a few pics/posts...




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Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/05/08 09:05 PM

next set:



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Posted By: SugarBlossoms

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/05/08 09:39 PM

Oh my goodness!! Poor Myst!

She looks like she just ran a marathon while waking up! (adorable pic but sad too)

Is she bleeding much after having the stitches removed? It looks bloody in the last pic.

How is she doing now?

hug2
Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/05/08 09:42 PM

She's not bleeding, just raw. I took that pic a few minutes before posting it. It is slowly getting smaller.
Posted By: SugarBlossoms

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/05/08 09:50 PM

Oh good! grin
Posted By: sugarlope

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/06/08 01:15 AM

Thank you for sharing the pics. She has been through so much, I'm so glad things are getting better. hug2
Posted By: Usha77

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/06/08 02:46 AM

hug2 I will pray that she continues to heal well.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/12/08 08:39 AM

I took a TON of pics myself while Myst was getting her stiches out, but I didn't get them cropped until just now; here you go Jen! (and everybody else, too.) smile

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Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/12/08 09:04 AM

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Posted By: gliderlover1

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/12/08 09:07 AM

I wish Mimzy looked that well.
It's scabbed over but they didn't stitch it because they said it was to dry. shakehead Although they are the ones that wouldn't see her sooner... tant

anyway, she looks all wet in the pictures. Is that from the neosporin? They gave me drops to put on Mimzy and she looks pretty much like that. I have wipes I would clean her with but I really don't want to irritate the wound so I haven't yet. Going to see what the vet says tomorrow but I'm thinking another week or so before I brave wiping it. Want her to do some good healing first.
Any advise would be greatly appreciated at this point. dunno
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/12/08 09:07 AM

. . . and my last set . . .

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Posted By: SugarBlossoms

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/12/08 09:08 AM

It looks to me like the stitches should have stayed in a bit longer...

Poor Myst! Praying for her to heal Jen!!! How is she doing now????
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/12/08 09:12 AM

I dunno what it was exactly that the vet put on the wound after the stitches were taken out (I can't remember), Jen'll have to tell you that.

(All I really did while Myst was there was take the pics, and then get to say *Hi* to Flip and Snug after it was all over, so.) dunno
Posted By: Usha77

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/12/08 02:53 PM

Those are great pics. That poor little girl!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/12/08 04:46 PM

OH MY! Poor little one! Jen, you're going through so much - hang in there!
Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/13/08 06:58 AM

Myst will be going back to the vet tomorrow (later today, actually). frown That last wound just won't scab over or dry, and now is getting bigger again (I'll get the pics up I took earlier up in the morning while waiting between getting home from work and the vet opening). Not sure if we're going to have to try and stitch it again or what, but nothing I have tried is working. Put her back on oral antibiotics a few days ago when a bit of yellow appeared in the center of the wound-it seems to be keeping that from getting worse, but this simply isn't healing. *sigh* Will let you all know how the visit went when I get a chance-spent the last day and a half throwing up, and will be in sore need of sleep by the time I get back.
Posted By: Judie

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/13/08 07:33 AM

When my vet does this proceedure... I have him put drain tubes in. This allows the wound to drain from the inside out. Drain tubes are usually removed within four to five days with stitching left in place for another week.

When infected... the skin does not heal properly and this is the reason for the drain tubes.

As to the glider whose wound is hard and dry... vet needs to debreed it and then pull the skin up to close with suitures with a couple of drain tubes stitched into the skin. Oral antibiotic is then perscribed... and small amount of neosporin applied couple of times a day to help with the irritation.
Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/13/08 07:55 AM

Her stitches were in for 14 days, both oral meds and topical (neosporin and silvodine). When stitches were removed there was a very small raw spot near the center vet thought would heal, as it was only skin deep, no discoloration or signs of infection-it almost resembled a scrape at that point. That was March 01. Topicals were continued, but it has not improved. It's not at all dry, very moist looking. The area is under 1/2", but is deeper than it was, so back in she goes, and we'll see what happens.
Posted By: sugarglidersuz

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/13/08 10:27 AM

Jen,
When Mareki had one of her SM patagium wounds that would NOT heal, I took her to a specialist down in Columbus (Dr. Burton) and he prescribed Synotic otic solution. It's a solvent solution that keeps the wound debrided as it heals and promotes faster healing. It's nasty stuff in that it immediately leaves a strong garlic-like taste in the mouth if you get even a drop of it on your skin, so you have to wear rubber gloves while administering it. But, it really did work! (With Mareki, that was a beneficial side effect because it prevented her desire to continue to SM the site.)
You might want to ask your vet about it as a possibility for helping to treat Myst. Keep in mind that it did not prevent the wound from closing, just kept the granulation from developing at the margins so that the wound actually healed more thoroughly without the scar tissue build up. Don't know if this will help with Myst or not, but thought it worth mentioning to you dunno
Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/13/08 04:25 PM

Suz, I'll ask, thanks. Though with the location, I don't think bothering it is an issue, but regardless. I'm out of ideas.

Here's the pic from late yesterday afternoon:

(Her appointment is at 4:15 this afternoon)

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Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/13/08 04:56 PM

Ouch!! good luck at the vet! keep us posted!
Posted By: LSardou

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/13/08 06:16 PM

Jen, Sending you lots of hugs and prayers. I hope everything goes well at the vets today. hug2
Posted By: gliderlover1

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/14/08 03:28 AM

Judie,
Yah that's pretty much what she did. Except for the drainage.
Now you got me concerned. I hope she will be ok. It is looking SO much better already and she just did it yesterday. So I have high hopes for everything going well.
Posted By: SugarBlossoms

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/14/08 04:09 AM

Jen, how did Myst's appt. go? How is she?

Posted By: ozzi

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/18/08 01:39 AM

Jen,
Ask your vet about Scarlet Oil. One of my vets had me use it on a NASTY wound on one of my gliders neck and it worked well and did not harm him.
Pat
Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/18/08 04:42 PM

Ozzi, I thank you for the advice, but am really uncomfortable with that product on anything smaller than a cat, for a number of reasons. So is my vet.

Sorry for the delay on the update-I got the super form of the last flu I had, plus migraines, and was literally bedridden for 3 days (then playing catch up) frown We did get to the vet (one of the SHORTEST visits I've ever had, and why is it I always have to go down there in a blizzard? shakehead )

The vet still thinks this will close. She approved my use of Betadine, which IS helping, and also suggested diluted hydrogen peroxide, which I will likely begin adding to it tonight. It's not closed but not looking nearly as bad as it was, or as wet. She still gets the Silvodine on top of it, and will be on the Clindamycin for a further two weeks or so.

AND her fur in general is looking a bit better, which means she's feeling a little better and grooming at least some-she wasn't-she looked absolutely awful prior to this last visit. frown

Here's some pics...you can tell it's not nearly as wet looking, no infection now, and white, healthy SKIN showing through, instead of a pussy pit, even though it's going to take more time for it to heal over. The last two are after I put the Silvodine on (which is why it's white there) while she is enjoying her after meds mealies. She's a lonely girl though, and I feel so bad for her. frown Still need to find a potential cage mate for when she's better. Anyway, here's this morning's pics:

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Posted By: Usha77

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/18/08 04:56 PM

The poor sweetheart. She is so cute. I hope she continues to heal and gets all better fast! hug2 Hope you're feeling better, too, Jen!
Posted By: minkasmom

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/18/08 05:09 PM

Jen, my heart goes out to you! hug2 Her wound right now looks like Minka's did about 10 days ago...I can see "granular tissue" starting to form (fancy words for "a scab") from the pictures & I'm going to be VERY HOPEFUL that the infection will stay away!

Odd that you should mention your hesitation about Scarlet Oil on anything smaller than a cat...the bottle specifically says 'DO NOT USE ON CATS' (I have a bottle I picked up in Tennessee & was tempted to use on Minka...but didn't.) While it may have wonderful "healing" properties, I'm just a bit nervous about using something that isn't tried & true in SEVERAL situations.
Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/18/08 05:14 PM

Scarlet Oil is normally used on much larger animals, horses, cattle-and it's fallen out of favor with all but the older generation of large animal vets. Cats and dogs would probably be able to handle a diluted, lite amount PROVIDED it's not ingested. Something smaller than a dog/cat I wouldn't even try-gliders have been proven to be so sensitive to such small amounts of toxins, I don't feel it's safe at all. And no way to know what long term effects may show up, like liver damage, months or longer down the road.
Posted By: LSardou

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/18/08 05:25 PM

Jen, Myst is looking better and better! I hope that things will heal up soon for her so that she can have a little friend. Thanks for the update, I've been wondering how she was doing, as well as you. I'm sorry to hear that you picked up that horrid flu! hug2 Hope your feeling better!
Posted By: ozzi

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/21/08 12:24 AM

Originally Posted By: Xfilefan
Ozzi, I thank you for the advice, but am really uncomfortable with that product on anything smaller than a cat, for a number of reasons. So is my vet.

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I had to trust my vet on that one. 10 different vets will probably give 10 different answers, so it seems confused
The Scarlet oil, and it might have been diluted?, worked well with no ill affects. I used it sparingly and applied it with a Q-tip so there was not a lot of extra oil anywhere except on the wound.
Pat glider
Posted By: Cora

Re: Mating Wound-Myst Added Pics - 03/21/08 12:41 AM

Maybe its different for animals but I have been a wound care nurse and learned the newest scenario is Betadine and Hydrogen Peroxide kill healthy bloodcells. The best thing to flush a wound with is normal saline. The deal with scarlett oil is it does not know the bad tissue from the good tissue. On a person I would be putting Bactroban ointment on a wound like that???? I dont know how things work with animals just throwing that stuff out there just in case it might help. Hope that nasty wound gets better soon!!
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