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Re: Should I pull him? [Re: JillMarie] #913229 02/28/10 06:33 PM 02/28/10 06:33 PM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 22,749 80 acres of paradise in KS Dancing *Glideritis Anonymous*
Dancing *Glideritis Anonymous* Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 22,749 80 acres of paradise in KS	Quote: handraising is only for emergencies. This is ABSOLUTELY right! No joey should be pulled from the parents unless it is to save the life of the joey or mother. Sometimes mom's can get pouch infections etc that make it necessary to pull the joey. 620-704-9109 Judge not until you have walked in their shoes and lived their lives. What you see online is only part of the story. I could have missed the pain But I'd of had to miss the dance The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears.

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: Dancing] #913251 02/28/10 07:55 PM 02/28/10 07:55 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,832 Big Sandy TN Sherri OP Glider Addict
Sherri OP Glider Addict Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,832 Big Sandy TN	I also believe that keeping joey's with their parents is the best thing possible. I really hated to have to pull him and it broke my heart to take him from his family, but after almost a week of supplimenting him and keeping him with his family he was actually getting worse and not better. Momma's milk and family weaning is always the best and handraising should ONLY be done as a last resort for the joey or the momma's health. sherri Forever home to a wide variety of animals, domestic, farm and exotic. My passion is my little suggie sweethearts! 731-441-9814 http://www.newbysglidernook.com/index.html

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: Sherri] #913253 02/28/10 08:14 PM 02/28/10 08:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 10,983 Denton, TX ValkyrieMome *Glideritis Anonymous*
ValkyrieMome *Glideritis Anonymous* Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 10,983 Denton, TX	I think this is a myth that spread over from Bird knowledge. Parrots are frequently handraised. I've seen some advertisers (NOT on GC, thankfully) advertise their "Hand Raised!" gliders as if this is something special. The special glider/human bond can be formed when the joeys are raised by the parents, and gliders do NOT need to be hand raised in order to bond with their owners. Again - just trying to state that clearly for anyone who comes to gliders with Parrot knowledge! Sherri - I know you'll keep us updated on little Raul! Hope he starts thriving right away! Alden "Animals can communicate quite well. And they do. And generally speaking, they are ignored." Alice Walker Mom to Valhalla; 6 cats; 1 macaw; 2 hedgehogs; and very many great gliders! (plus the 2 skin kids) valkyriegliders.com Kyrie, nothing will ever fill the hole you left in my heart.

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: JillMarie] #913256 02/28/10 08:25 PM 02/28/10 08:25 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 13,748 Vincennes, IN, USA suggiemom1980 *Glideritis Anonymous*
suggiemom1980 *Glideritis Anonymous* Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 13,748 Vincennes, IN, USA	Originally Posted By: JillMarie Originally Posted By: suggiemom_1980 Originally Posted By: tammyangel And those who have had to hand raise a rejected joey can tell you that handraising these babies usually makes them be the sweetest babies ever and emotionally they do fine .Connie who has her baby Roo can tell you just how special that little boy is due to her having to hand raise him since the breeder who sold this joey sold it to the person right after his eyes were open. Roo is definitely my most bonded glider. He came to me, approx a month OOP and weighed about 20 grams. I fed him every hour on the hour, for six weeks. Thank God my daughter helped me or I'd never have gotten any sleep. He was (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets baby and also has 2 parasites and 1 bacteria. He didn't have a cage mate until he was about 8 months old, so besides being with me all day, he woke me every morning around 5, to play. Since he was alone, I became his cage mate. I love all of my babies, but there's an extra strong bond between Roo and me. Raising a rejected joey is always a last resort but a necessary one sometimes. Everyone I know, who has raised a rejected joey, has a very special bond with them. You become their parent, they become your child. I agree in that they bond strongly. I myself had to handraise my Arwen from 5 days oop! What I meant when I mentioned a concern of emotional developement...MOST animal babies when taken from the mother too young defiantely develope some kind of emotional or physical health issue. There is plenty of evidence supporting that. What we can provide in the way of mother's milk is no where as healthy as the REAL mother. Sometimes the risk is worth it to save a life...WHAT I WORRY ABOUT is people wanting that special bond so bad they pull a joey and hand raise it when that doesnt NEED to be done. I am not saying that is the case here! but so many visit this forum and hear us talking about those "bonds" and I worry about someone doing it for the sake of the relationship they think they will have, at the risk of a baby who will not be as healthy as adjusted as they should be. I tried to get the point across gently, because I know how easy it is to be misunderstood here. I would love to see some people support the thought that handraising is only for emergencies. sorry if I upset anybody, but the truth is we are not the best parent they can have. I completely agree. While the bond IS strong, we 'second moms' don't know exactly what their needs are. We're not gliders. Formula isn't as good as mama's milk. Glider parents are almost always best. On that note, while some parents might reject a joey, it doesn't mean they will every time. But if they reject twice, it's time to neuter the dad cause they don't want to be parents or don't know how and to force them to continue with more pregnancies and rejections is way too stressful on them. Connie 812-890-9734, 24/7 Emergencies/Joey issues SmallWorldSuggies "The greater the challenge, the sweeter the reward" "Glide free Silly "Ozball" Ozzie. You left us 11/21/12..way too soon. You're forever loved, remembered, missed."

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: suggiemom1980] #913264 02/28/10 08:49 PM 02/28/10 08:49 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,832 Big Sandy TN Sherri OP Glider Addict
Sherri OP Glider Addict Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,832 Big Sandy TN	I've already decided if this happens again that dad will be neutered, since I DO NOT want to do this again. And I applaud all of you that have had to go through this before, its alot harder than most would think it to be. Well its off to get Raul fed and potty, then clean him up. He's getting awfully squirmy and says "It's time to get up." sherri Forever home to a wide variety of animals, domestic, farm and exotic. My passion is my little suggie sweethearts! 731-441-9814 http://www.newbysglidernook.com/index.html

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: Sherri] #913296 02/28/10 10:24 PM 02/28/10 10:24 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,402 Michigan G gliderma Serious Glideritis
gliderma Serious Glideritis G Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,402 Michigan	I'm glad he is doing well, Sherri! It is one of the hardest jobs you will ever love and is so rewarding. I was so scared and sleepy the whole time with Mshki, but now he is the most precious, sweet baby I have. I do love all of them but he is very special and thinks of me as his Mama. Lynn Martel 616-272-4374 989-400-5686

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: gliderma] #913825 03/02/10 02:31 PM 03/02/10 02:31 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,832 Big Sandy TN Sherri OP Glider Addict
Sherri OP Glider Addict Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,832 Big Sandy TN	Just a little update on Raul.... He is up to eating .5 cc's each feeding now, he has gained 2 grams since friday, and last night he poopied once by himself! I can't get over how well he is doing, he is wanting to do a little wandering around and checking things out. And he cries when I try to put him in his incubator at night. I'll have to get new pics up later today. sherri Forever home to a wide variety of animals, domestic, farm and exotic. My passion is my little suggie sweethearts! 731-441-9814 http://www.newbysglidernook.com/index.html

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: Sherri] #913864 03/02/10 03:19 PM 03/02/10 03:19 PM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 22,749 80 acres of paradise in KS Dancing *Glideritis Anonymous*
Dancing *Glideritis Anonymous* Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 22,749 80 acres of paradise in KS	That's wonderful Sherri. I'm so glad he is improving, gaining weight, and starting to wander around. (gaining strength). I know that joey cry all too well. It sure melts your heart and makes you feel guilty for putting him in the incubator. Does he have a little (stuffed) friend he can snuggle with in the incubator? If you get one small enough to let him snuggle with in your bra too, it will make it more of a companion for him at night too. More familiar. With my rejected joeys, I took some of the super soft baby fleece (not usually recommended for pouches) and made just little snuggle buddies. Nothing fancy, shaped kinda like a peanut, but something that was theirs. Duncan would, even as an adult, carry that thing around with him like Pigpen's security blanket (if you don't know who Pigpen is, you sure missed out on some great Peanut cartoons!) 620-704-9109 Judge not until you have walked in their shoes and lived their lives. What you see online is only part of the story. I could have missed the pain But I'd of had to miss the dance The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears.

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: Dancing] #913872 03/02/10 03:28 PM 03/02/10 03:28 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,832 Big Sandy TN Sherri OP Glider Addict
Sherri OP Glider Addict Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,832 Big Sandy TN	I never thought of that Teresa! Thanks! I do have some super soft fleece I can make him little buddies out of. Anything that I can do to make him feel more secure in his incubator without me will help. And I would love to see a pic of Duncan carrying around his little buddy. That had to be the most cutest thing ever! And yes, I had my fair share of watching Peanuts growing up. Gotta love Pigpen! But of course Snoopy was my favorite! sherri Forever home to a wide variety of animals, domestic, farm and exotic. My passion is my little suggie sweethearts! 731-441-9814 http://www.newbysglidernook.com/index.html

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: Sherri] #913876 03/02/10 03:37 PM 03/02/10 03:37 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,968 Northeast Indiana minkasmom Serious Glideritis
minkasmom Serious Glideritis Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,968 Northeast Indiana	Just now catching up on all your goings on here, Sherri. While I don't envy the road you're on, I will commend you for the devotion it requires to do it. Geez, he's a lil' bit of a joey! Hope he catches up with himself real soon! Keep feeding him as much as he'll eat...and I'm about in tears reading how excited you got over the pottying thing...only on GC will others share in your excitement! If you need some extra fuzzy fleece to make buddies with, give a whistle...I have some AWESOME royal blue fleece lying around & lots of scraps to stuff it with! Good luck! Minkasmom (Papillon Kisses) Slave to: 25 gliders,4 cats, and ONE husband (can't handle two, lol!) Remembering all my lost loves

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: minkasmom] #914757 03/04/10 02:09 PM 03/04/10 02:09 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 13,748 Vincennes, IN, USA suggiemom1980 *Glideritis Anonymous*
suggiemom1980 *Glideritis Anonymous* Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 13,748 Vincennes, IN, USA	OK, where are the pictures??? stomping foot impatiently Connie 812-890-9734, 24/7 Emergencies/Joey issues SmallWorldSuggies "The greater the challenge, the sweeter the reward" "Glide free Silly "Ozball" Ozzie. You left us 11/21/12..way too soon. You're forever loved, remembered, missed."

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: suggiemom1980] #915254 03/05/10 05:57 PM 03/05/10 05:57 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,832 Big Sandy TN Sherri OP Glider Addict
Sherri OP Glider Addict Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,832 Big Sandy TN	I'm thinking of renaming Raul, his new name shall be Stuart Little! And here's why. This chicken nugget is bigger than he is! sherri Forever home to a wide variety of animals, domestic, farm and exotic. My passion is my little suggie sweethearts! 731-441-9814 http://www.newbysglidernook.com/index.html

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: Sherri] #915262 03/05/10 06:13 PM 03/05/10 06:13 PM
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,855 Orlando, FL Tish84 Glider Slave
Tish84 Glider Slave Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,855 Orlando, FL	LOL....he's like mmmmmm what is this? Smells good. TISH Lana (Siberian Husky) 2 Turtles Bunny Lily Fawkes Kingsley Ice Regulus Romeo Mimkin Saturn Jupiter Taiyou Kat Julianna Glide Free My little Lily And Ice (Miss you every day) www.fancysuggies.com

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: Tish84] #915290 03/05/10 07:42 PM 03/05/10 07:42 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,832 Big Sandy TN Sherri OP Glider Addict
Sherri OP Glider Addict Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,832 Big Sandy TN	Poor little guy looks a little rough, since I'm a poor substitute for his momma in the grooming department. LOL sherri Forever home to a wide variety of animals, domestic, farm and exotic. My passion is my little suggie sweethearts! 731-441-9814 http://www.newbysglidernook.com/index.html

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: Sherri] #915315 03/05/10 09:03 PM 03/05/10 09:03 PM
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,855 Orlando, FL Tish84 Glider Slave
Tish84 Glider Slave Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,855 Orlando, FL	What do you use....baby wipes? TISH Lana (Siberian Husky) 2 Turtles Bunny Lily Fawkes Kingsley Ice Regulus Romeo Mimkin Saturn Jupiter Taiyou Kat Julianna Glide Free My little Lily And Ice (Miss you every day) www.fancysuggies.com

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: Tish84] #915325 03/05/10 09:21 PM 03/05/10 09:21 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,832 Big Sandy TN Sherri OP Glider Addict
Sherri OP Glider Addict Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,832 Big Sandy TN	Yeah baby wipes, warm damp baby tooth brush, it doesnt seem to matter how I try to clean him, I can't seem to do it good enough. But luckily he is starting to groom himself, so I guess he also thinks I'm not doing a good job either. LOL sherri Forever home to a wide variety of animals, domestic, farm and exotic. My passion is my little suggie sweethearts! 731-441-9814 http://www.newbysglidernook.com/index.html

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: Sherri] #915440 03/06/10 02:40 AM 03/06/10 02:40 AM
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Tish84 Glider Slave Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,855 Orlando, FL	I'm sure he'll be able to get in the nook and crannies TISH Lana (Siberian Husky) 2 Turtles Bunny Lily Fawkes Kingsley Ice Regulus Romeo Mimkin Saturn Jupiter Taiyou Kat Julianna Glide Free My little Lily And Ice (Miss you every day) www.fancysuggies.com

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: JillMarie] #915451 03/06/10 03:41 AM 03/06/10 03:41 AM
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travhops Unregistered T	Good luck with that little cutie. I will love hearing more about his progress. This definitely was an emergency and doubt very much he would have lasted uch longer. I am learning so much from this site.

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: ] #915613 03/06/10 03:53 PM 03/06/10 03:53 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,832 Big Sandy TN Sherri OP Glider Addict
Sherri OP Glider Addict Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,832 Big Sandy TN	Stuart is doing so much better! He is grooming himself and going potty all on his own now. He is drinking almost a full cc at each feeding, and has so much more energy and is awake more than he was. I'm positive that this little guy is going to make it. I'm just a little worried that he is going to stay very small even into adulthood. But at least I know he will make it to adulthood now. Things were pretty touch and go in the beginning. sherri Forever home to a wide variety of animals, domestic, farm and exotic. My passion is my little suggie sweethearts! 731-441-9814 http://www.newbysglidernook.com/index.html

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: Sherri] #915880 03/07/10 07:52 AM 03/07/10 07:52 AM
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sugarglidersuz *Glideritis Anonymous* Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 14,788 Cleveland, Ohio	Sherri, there's a slight possibility that he will stay small, but in my experience, even the smallest rejected joey suddenly goes through a growth spurt and catches up to its peers. Little Cleo was only 20 grams when I picked her up from Nicole/guerita135 at 5 weeks out of pouch. She is now 2 months oop and weighed 43.71 grams last night She's doing her catching up now Suz Enyedy Carina & Coobah Allira & Gizmo Picasso, Trinity Joy & Luna DaisyMae; Darwin; Mareki; Mambo; Pika; Cricky; Reggie & Bobo, Pepe & Bittah Suz' Sugar Gliders

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: sugarglidersuz] #915902 03/07/10 11:13 AM 03/07/10 11:13 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 13,748 Vincennes, IN, USA suggiemom1980 *Glideritis Anonymous*
suggiemom1980 *Glideritis Anonymous* Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 13,748 Vincennes, IN, USA	Roo was 20 grams at approx a month OOP. He now weighs between 80-82 grams and is 18 months old. Connie 812-890-9734, 24/7 Emergencies/Joey issues SmallWorldSuggies "The greater the challenge, the sweeter the reward" "Glide free Silly "Ozball" Ozzie. You left us 11/21/12..way too soon. You're forever loved, remembered, missed."

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: suggiemom1980] #915956 03/07/10 01:59 PM 03/07/10 01:59 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,832 Big Sandy TN Sherri OP Glider Addict
Sherri OP Glider Addict Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,832 Big Sandy TN	I hope Stuart does catch up, it just seems like after 2 weeks of having to handraise him, that he should be bigger than he is. But then again, I think he was worse off than I thought when I pulled him. Now that I think back to how he was when I first pulled him, I think he was actually at deaths door. So yeah it may take awhile for him to catch up. And he has learned how to groom me (sometimes a little to rough) and how to crab. LOL sherri Forever home to a wide variety of animals, domestic, farm and exotic. My passion is my little suggie sweethearts! 731-441-9814 http://www.newbysglidernook.com/index.html

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: Sherri] #916035 03/07/10 06:24 PM 03/07/10 06:24 PM
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Tish84 Glider Slave Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,855 Orlando, FL	too cute, when you get a chance I'd love to see a little video of this guy. As far as the rough grooming, you have to teach him what's too much now that you are the mom. (I wonder if the TSST thing works on rejected joeys?) TISH Lana (Siberian Husky) 2 Turtles Bunny Lily Fawkes Kingsley Ice Regulus Romeo Mimkin Saturn Jupiter Taiyou Kat Julianna Glide Free My little Lily And Ice (Miss you every day) www.fancysuggies.com

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: Tish84] #917833 03/11/10 07:47 AM 03/11/10 07:47 AM
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1daddyglider1 Glider Guardian Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 777 Lecanto Florida	I hope Stuart keeps progressing and grows up big and strong after having a struggle early on. Thank you for posting his oop pics and that gliders should not be pulled from their famalies until fully weaned, and only then if it is life threatening should the joey be removed and hand fed. Art http://newagegliderssuggiew.forumsmotion.com/ http://newagepetsugargliders.weebly.com/ http://pkmboutique.com

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: 1daddyglider1] #917889 03/11/10 10:55 AM 03/11/10 10:55 AM
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hwh4ev Glider Addict H Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 2,839 roseville, mi	my little ladies were each 50 gms. at 8 wks. oop, weighed at the vets office and they were fed by their mother. i guess they will be small like their mother. regards, nancy in detroit regards, nancy in roseville (formerly in detroit)

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: hwh4ev] #923542 03/26/10 10:05 PM 03/26/10 10:05 PM
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Sherri OP Glider Addict Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,832 Big Sandy TN	Here is a couple of more recent pics of Stuart. Please forgive me, but I have lost my camera charger and took these last week with my cell phone. Stuart is now 9 weeks and is in a 38 gallon rept without the heating pad. No more middle of the night time feedings, he is eating from a small saucer at night. He also weighs in at a whopping 38 grams and is doing fantastic! I couldn't be happier at how well he is doing. I was really worried if he would even make it when I pulled him. sherri Forever home to a wide variety of animals, domestic, farm and exotic. My passion is my little suggie sweethearts! 731-441-9814 http://www.newbysglidernook.com/index.html

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: Sherri] #923553 03/26/10 11:01 PM 03/26/10 11:01 PM
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hwh4ev Glider Addict H Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 2,839 roseville, mi	he is so adorable. your hard work is paying off. regards, nancy in detroit regards, nancy in roseville (formerly in detroit)

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: hwh4ev] #923861 03/28/10 12:32 AM 03/28/10 12:32 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 13,748 Vincennes, IN, USA suggiemom1980 *Glideritis Anonymous*
suggiemom1980 *Glideritis Anonymous* Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 13,748 Vincennes, IN, USA	He's such a sweet looking baby! That second pic is just adorable at its best! You're doing such a fantastic job!!!! congratulations! Connie 812-890-9734, 24/7 Emergencies/Joey issues SmallWorldSuggies "The greater the challenge, the sweeter the reward" "Glide free Silly "Ozball" Ozzie. You left us 11/21/12..way too soon. You're forever loved, remembered, missed."

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: suggiemom1980] #923935 03/28/10 10:26 AM 03/28/10 10:26 AM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,832 Big Sandy TN Sherri OP Glider Addict
Sherri OP Glider Addict Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,832 Big Sandy TN	42 grams this morning and going to town eating all his night time supper that I put in his cage. Day time feedings are getting fewer and further in between. He's not eating as much at each feeding during the day. So I figure those will become a thing of the past this week. My next big step is the water bottle. He still is drinking his formula from a little saucer. He's not fond of water at all. He's finally fluffing up really nicely now, so I have to get new pics again. Any excuse to take more pics of Stuart is a good excuse. LOL sherri Forever home to a wide variety of animals, domestic, farm and exotic. My passion is my little suggie sweethearts! 731-441-9814 http://www.newbysglidernook.com/index.html

Re: Should I pull him? [Re: Sherri] #924113 03/28/10 09:15 PM 03/28/10 09:15 PM
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Sherri OP Glider Addict Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,832 Big Sandy TN	These pics are from just a few minutes ago. See how BIG he's getting!? Not the tiny little man from a few weeks back. sherri Forever home to a wide variety of animals, domestic, farm and exotic. My passion is my little suggie sweethearts! 731-441-9814 http://www.newbysglidernook.com/index.html

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