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Cage plans? #896897
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Anyone have any cage plans for building your own cage from PVC-coated wire mesh? After looking at the one I bought (for way too much money), I'm pretty sure I can build a better one for less, even if I have to buy the mesh in 50-foot or 100-foot rolls.

Wish I had time to do it as a side business because I'm pretty sure I'd have materials left over if I decide to go this route.

Would it be better to make the cage 6 feet high or 5 feet and put it on a stand of some kind? I think I could clear a 3-foot wide space next to the bookshelves in my living room ...


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Re: Cage plans? [Re: Paani] #896914
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There's a link at the top to sites that have instructions for building cages. My husband just made the PVC one for us from www.justforfuzzies.com. It is a HUGE cage. We made a couple of modifications to suite our needs, such as adding a pull out tray below the bottom. I'd look around and see what you think will fit yours, and your gliders, needs best. Good luck!

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Thanks, I'd seen one of those links before but forgot about it. Not sure about the PVC cage you built -- what is the mesh size of that hardware net? I'm wondering if they would climb around on it as much or as easily as they do the 1/2x1 inch wire mesh?

They seem pretty happy with the cage I got them although it's smaller than I thought -- only 19x19x36 -- so it seems to me that something about 30x30x60 or 30x30x72 would be ginormous for two lil joeys?


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Re: Cage plans? [Re: Paani] #897935
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Still looking at this, I'm kind of leaning toward a PVC-coated wire cage so I can make it wider than the 30x30 foot print of the reptariums. Question for other cage owners -- what kind of stand do you put yours on if you elevate it? How high up do you set your base? I was thinking about making the cage 5 feet high which would imply a 2 foot base -- a 3 foot base would make changing the trays more convenient but then I'd probably want to cut the cage height down to 4 feet ...


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Re: Cage plans? [Re: Paani] #897947
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I've made stands for my Klubertanz wire cages with 3/4" or 1" PVC. The pipe is screwed into the connectors for extra support and stability. My 5' cages have an 18" stand and my 4' cages have a 24" stand so I can reach the top of the cages. Some have a storage shelf underneath and all have Magic Sliders on the legs so they can be moved easily. They all have wood attached to the top of the PVC stand which is cut to fit the base of the cage. HTH!

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Re: Cage plans? [Re: nancy1202] #899097
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Hi
Just to let you know. My husband and myself framed out our pvc cage earlier this week.I was going to go with the landware cloth but I decided to do the vinyl coated 1/2 in by 1/2 in mesh. I bought the 19 gauge because it's very flexible and easier to work with. We are finishing it this saturday. The cage is made to sit in the corner of the room and the front is shaped like a half octogon. I will post pics as soon as I am done so if you like the design I will give you a copy of the plans .I will be just posting the plans anyway sometime soon.Oh and the measurments are 6 1/2 ft high 3 ft wide by 4 ft deep. It's massive.I can't wait to put my babies in it.yay


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Re: Cage plans? [Re: sweetbabies] #900079
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In the interim, I've been looking at polyethylene mesh. Anyone have any experience with it? One source I saw on the net has a "natural" color -- should be relatively translucent so maybe better visibility for us but more confusing for them?

I hate taking so long to make this thing but I want to do it right ONCE.


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Re: Cage plans? [Re: Paani] #902042
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Well, guess it's going to be the PVC-coated wire ... after watching these guys in my tent, I don't trust Judah in anything chewable. Honestly, he has to taste EVERYTHING. Four or five times.


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Re: Cage plans? [Re: Paani] #905867
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So I'm narrowing in on the design, convinced myself that I can't do a reptarium because these guys like to chew. Those who have build cages from PVC-coated wire mesh, is it preferred to use ferrules (J-clips) or blunt C-rings?

I'm thinking of a 2'x4'x6' cage with a door on each side for the glider kitchen, a large cleaning door on the bottom, maybe a large door up top to help install toys and 2-3 smaller doors in front. Any particular advice on the door latches?

My parts list so far looks like this:


Item, Quantity, Unit Code, Unit Cost, Subtotal
48" wide 1"x1/2" PVC-coated wire, 17 ft, X458, $4.27/ft, $72.59
24" wide 1"x1/2" PVC-coated wire, 13 ft, X409, $2.20/ft, $28.60
24" wide 1/2"x1/2" PVC-coated wire, 6 ft, X404, $2.40/ft, $14.40
3/8" blunt (I.D.) SS C-rings, 1 bag, R010, $8.80/bag, $8.80
Economy 5" Ringer, 1, Z024, $2.70 ea, $2.70
SS left-hand spring door lock, ???, ZKSL, $0.82 ea, ????
30" door strip, ???, Z4, $0.75 ea, ????
24"x24" Duraplastic floor pan, 2 pans, P012, $17.40 ea, $34.80
18" cage legs, 4, Z045, $2.50 ea, $10.00
24" tray slide 4 Z048 $1.80 $7.20
Slotted Plastic 10"x14.5" floor mats, 6, Z37G, $2.25 ea, $13.50
1/2 pt black feeding cup, 2, JP90, $0.70 ea, $1.40
10 oz. Crock-lock crocks, 4, K105, $3.80 ea, $15.20
Plastic Urine Guard, 18, Z100, $0.95 ea, $17.10
Vinyl-covered padded carry handle, 1, Z072, $0.74 ea, $0.74

Small Water Bottle Spring, 2, BSP3, $1.20 ea, $2.40
Lixit Quick Lock Flip-Top Water Tank with Valve, 2, BT02, $5.30 ea, $10.60
Total $240.03


The extra 6 urine guards are for my other cage, can probably dump them altogether along with the black plastic feeding cups. Not sure about the plast floor mats -- was thinking maybe that would be nicer on their feet but they don't seem to mind the current 1/2"x1" wire grid.


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Re: Cage plans? [Re: Paani] #905901
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I've used both rings and j-clips and the rings are MUCH easier to work with. They are also easier to cut off if needed. I'd suggest the regular ringers which are much sturdier in addition to the economy ringers for corners and tight spots.

You won't need the plastic floor mats. Gliders are fine with the vinyl-coated wire and they would just be something else to clean.

The black feeding cup in your list doesn't fit in the 1/2 x 1" wire. The carry handle is more for a travel carrier/cage and may not help much when moving a cage of the size you are making.

That will be a HUGE cage! You may want to consider the thicker 14-gauge wire for the front panel only for extra support. I prefer one large door in front so I can reach into all corners of the cage. You will need a ladder with a 6 ft cage on an 18" stand!

I love the spring door latches! I have two on my 24" tall door. You need to be sure to cut the door at least 2 or 3 inches larger on each side to prevent gaps that gliders can squeeze through.

sounds like quite a project - you will be pleased with the results!


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Re: Cage plans? [Re: nancy1202] #905926
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Well, I was looking at the cage I bought with these guys and it really looks easy to assemble. Probably the hardest part looks like cutting all the darned wires!

Good thought on the 14 gauge. I'll have to think about that.

The other thing I'm thinking about is pitching the roof like on their current cage because it will give just that much more surface area for them to hang from. If I did a pitched roof, the front and back could be a tad shorter and I could probably use the corner pieces cut from the sides to do corner platforms as long as I bonded a safe edge to the fronts.

Thanks for the input on the rings. I really want to order the parts and get this thing built -- just don't want to spend $250 and however many hours and decide I did it wrong!


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Re: Cage plans? [Re: Paani] #905968
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When pitching the roof, just remember that it is much more difficult to cut and connect the edges. The 1/2" x 1" is hard to cut at a perfect 45-degree angle. I made a 5' cage with a flat front and a hex-shaped back and learned the angle problem the hard way! The door liner can be used for edges of shelves, platforms or the door opening.

I used a good pair of bolt cutters for the wire and a dremel to smooth the edges of the cut wire.

It is VERY easy to assemble if using a rectangle shape. You may also want to consider a 36" width if you are going with 6' tall so you can use one drop pan instead of two. The legs/slides on the site are more for stacking cages. You could make a more reasonably priced and attractive stand with PVC as I posted above. One of these days I am going to paint the stand with black PVC paint, when the weather warms up enough to let it air outside for a while!


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Re: Cage plans? [Re: nancy1202] #905993
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Hmm ... good idea on the Dremel. I hadn't really thought about smoothign the cut edges since most of the wire was going to be cut down flush with the crosswire and be inaccessible to the fuzzbutts.

Did you really need bolt cutters? I was just going to use my regular wire cutters since it's just 16 gauge. I was thinking about making a cardboard template for the roof pitch and cut along the sides. I might be able to shave a foot of the 1/2"x1" mesh since doing the pitched roof at a 45 degree angle drops the front and back to 3' sections each and only adds 1' to the overall roof length (just under 1.5' hypotenuse for 1' sides).

I didn't want to go 36 inch for a couple reasons: the only place I could put the cage if I go that deep is in the middle of the living room (!) and I want to be able to wheel this out the door for the occasional hose-down. Thanks for the info on the legs though. Maybe I can find a cheap television stand or side table to put this on -- I just wanted to elevate it a little both for the fuzzbutts' confidence and my back!


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Oh, I was suggesting 36" WIDTH, not DEPTH! I make sure my cages are no more than 2 ft deep so they will fit through doorways. Your wire cutters may work - my bolt cutters look like wire cutters, but the hardware store called them bolt cutters!

You can eliminate many cuts by bending the wire in a U-shape.

I would love to see a drawing or plans with the pitched roof when you have a chance!


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Re: Cage plans? [Re: nancy1202] #906076
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Oh yeah, I wasn't reading carefully. I was thinking 4' wide so they could have jumping space. Really not enough space to glide but I don't see how I could do that without just setting a whole room up for them. Which is a thought -- I could disassemble the bed in the guest room and put up a big tent inside but then they'd have to go back to the "cramped" space whenever I have guests ...

With what's in my head, the only places I can see doing the bends would be along the roof peak and where the side walls meet the "floor" (the real floor would float inside so I could place the pan between. The front and back would need to be separate panels -- unless I made them one piece with the roof ... hmmmmm ....

[censored], you have me rethinking this again!


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Hi, i just built the same cage this weekend, and im curious, as i didnt think bout the original plans and the odd pull out tray from the original plans... what did you end up using for a pull out tray and how did you put it together? i ended up making mine 2 cages by running a seperator down the middle of the cage to seperate the males and females.

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Haven't built it yet but I was planning on using two 24"x24" pull out trays, probably putting a small vertical separator at the bottom to guide the trays and maybe give the guys something more to climb or jump to. I was thinking I could add an additional foot to the 2' wide mesh and use half of it in the middle for structural support (and to separate the 2 trays) and then run the other half across it so there's a small raised platform in the middle. I guess the bad point on this is that it creates another ledge that I have to get under for cleaning.

I'm sketching out the design this weekend, will try to post graphics of the design when I finish it and then order the supplies.


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Okay, the attached graphic shows what I'm thinking of (at least I hope it's attached -- preview isn't showing it). Would love feedback. The parts list -- if I did my math right, is

19 of 48-wide 1x PVC-coated wire mesh
18 of 24-wide 1x PVC-coated wire mesh
2 of 24-wide x PVC-coated wire mesh
8 spring door locks
2 24x24 Duraplast floor pans
14 plastic 30 door strips
1 pkg 3/8 stainless steel blunt C-rings


plus tools and accessories. I was planning on hinging the doors the way my current cage does, using the C-rings spaced about every inch or two.

I have doors on either side up top to make it easy to attach stuff hanging down, two smaller doors in the middle -- not sure what I'd use them for but the cage is planned to be so large that I think I'd want access in the middle, one large door at the bottom to help with clean out, and one door on either side to provide easy access to the 9-inch ledges which I plan on using for the kitchens.

The 6 inch shelf in the middle (raised 6" off the bottom floor) is another platform for them as well as providing bottom structural support.

I decided to make the roof a trapezoid -- couple 45-degree angles to give them more hanging surface area but a flat ridgeline for me to mount red LED lights and a ceramic IR heater.

Would appreciate any constructive criticism as I'm new to gliders and want to get this right before I order everything. Are there too many doors? Are they too large or the wrong shape?


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Re: Cage plans? [Re: Paani] #907501
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That is going to be a glider MANSION! Nice job!

Are you still going to put the cage on a stand? I'm asking because I'm 5'8" and can barely reach the top corners of my 5' cage on its 18" stand.

You may also want to consider fewer and/or larger doors. I like a large door on the front for easy access, but none of my cages are as large as yours. That's the beauty of building your own - you can customize to suit your needs! thumb

Oh, you probably have already allowed for this, but be sure your gliders cannot possibly reach the heater or the lights mounted on top. Gliders are comfortable at room temperature of 70 or so, and can be given extra blankies in their pouches to snuggle in for extra warmth. Some also use a portable heater in the glider room if it is a bit chilly in winter months.

I've made 4 of these cages. Here is a pic of my 2x3x5 cage. It is now on the stand linked above.


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Re: Cage plans? [Re: nancy1202] #907545
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I was asking for advice precisely because I wanted to see what people had experienced in their own cages, especially with the doors. I suppose I could order the extra wire mesh and spring latches for the doors but not cut all of them until I'd had some experience with it. Maybe leave out the middle doors and only cut one of the top doors?

I'm only 5'8" myself BUT I was planning on putting this cage in the family room area (so they can see me watching TV if they're curious) which is half a level below the kitchen/dining room. I could also put it in the living room but probably won't use a stand if I do that. I wanted to make this wide and tall enough to give them room to do some decent jumping (almost gliding) if they wanted (Judah already jumps around inside their current cage like a little cricket).

I don't mind getting on a stool if I need to but I don't think I'll be messing around up top TOO much and I think it'll improve their confidence when they can look down on top of me.

I'm already using the ceramic IR heater -- the coil is in a cone reflector that sits a couple inches above the mesh. one worry I have is stability -- at 6' tall and 2' deep, I'm wondering if they might rock or even topple it by jumping at the very top.

The other thing I was thinking about was that I could partition this down the middle if I end up expanding the colony but needed to keep them separated.

Sooo ... what would you suggest with the doors?


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I really like the design and symmetry with all of the doors. It's just a matter of personal preference how large and how many. The 9x9 doors, for example, could be cut at a later time if you find that you would use them. There won't be any more wire ordered because you can use the wire cut from other doors. Each door needs to overlap the opening by at least 2" top, bottom and latch side. So, you could use the piece cut out for the 18x18 opening for your 15x12 door. The hinges are pretty inexpensive, and I always order extras. If you decide to keep all of the doors, consider the thicker 14" gauge wire just for the front of the cage. That will be more stable with all of the cuts.

One thing I didn't do with my cages but wish I had was make a removable floor. I just added one to one of my pantry shelving cages, with tracks, and it will make cleaning much easier. With the snow on the ground, I don't get to take the cages outside to clean them thoroughly, but it's easy to take just the floor out to hose it off.

Oh, and you don't have to worry about the cage wobbling or toppling! It will be very sturdy and stable, especially with all of the extra shelves you have planned. thumb


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Rest of the menagerie: dogs, cats, corn snake, bearded dragon
Re: Cage plans? [Re: nancy1202] #907623
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Thanks. I wasn't worried about the structural stability because of the cross bracing by the shelves and double floor (above and below the pans). I was just thinking 6 feet high above a (potentially) 2 foot base at the shortest axis is a rather long moment arm (sorry, physics geek showing). Of course, I could fix that by running some forward slats out from under the pans and increase the effect size of the base ...

I was thinking the pans would collect everything and I plan on lining them with throwaway paper or maybe the polypro liners I've seen here so cleanup should be easy -- or am I being naive?

I was already planning on reusing the cutouts as much as possible. I hate waste. laugh

You said the hinges are inexpensive. So you use something other than the same C-rings as hinges? What do you use? I didn't see anything labeled as a hinge on Klubertanz and my current cage looks like it just uses extra C-rings as the hinges.

Do you think the 18x18" door should be wider?

What do you think about making the top and side doors be flip-up or flip-down rather than side-opening? Are the spring-clip latches good enough (it's what I have now) or should I look at some other mechanism like the two-finger latches?

Maybe this is overachieving and I could get the same effect for the gliders by making it 60 inches tall (eliminate the middle doors) and raising it another foot on an elevated platform?

I was thinking about putting the wheel(s) on the bottom so they could do maximum leap from the top going left-to-right or vice-versa and almost get an actual glide but if I do that then I have to be careful to not have a bunch of stuff in the middle.


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In theory, the drop pans collect everything and you can just clean them and be done with it. It doesn't work that way though... shakehead ... sticky bits cling to the wire on the way down. I have kitchens on the floor of my cages and wonder how BML ends up stuck to the top of the cage. This wire does wipe clean easily though. I use a hot microfiber cloth for spot cleaning.

Are you planning on a stand for the 6-ft cage? If not, I'd probably take a foot off the height and raise it up. You have the option of securing the cage to the ceiling with something like the hooks used to hang plants to compensate for the "shorter axis"! wink I really don't see excess wobble being a problem though, and forward slats would just get in your way.

The door sizes are just your preference. You could cut smaller openings with larger doors if you want the option to cut them larger if needed at a later time.

I meant latches are inexpensive, not hinges - OOPS! The rings do make perfect hinges. The spring latches work great. I can see the side doors as flip-down, but not flip-up because you would have to hold them open while accessing the cage.


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Ah, so you think something like this on top a 12-18 inch stand? The extra foot wouldn't be useful for "gliding" room or anything?

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My gliders make more use of the horizontal space for gliding, and your 48" width will certainly allow for that. If your options are 6' tall with no stand or 5' tall with stand, I'd go with the stand to raise the cage up off the floor.


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Thanks for all the helpful advice. Lacking any other comments, I think I'm going to build the 2' x 4' x 6' version since it's only $21 more and I can fit a 15-inch shelf/stand under it in the TV room and could even put it on a 2' stand in the living room. I'd need a ladder to mount stuff to the ceiling if it was that high but I don't see me doing it that often. Will probably be calling Klubertanz today to place the order so I can get building ASAP.


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Well, just called the order in. About $260 including shipping, it should go out Monday. Unfortunately will be busy all day next Saturday but maybe Sunday I can cut and assemble so these guys can move into a larger abode. laugh


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So box 1 arrived last Thursday with the pans and rings and pliers but box 2 with the actual wire didn't get here until last night. Their new Stealth also arrived in the mail yesterday so I almost felt like Steve Martin in "The Jerk". wink

I put the Stealth wheel into their existing cage immediately then I set about figuring out how to unroll the mesh. I was able to undo the rings holding the mesh roll together using a combination of a good screwdriver and pliers. Unfortunately on the 1/2" x 1", the 1" runs along the 4' edge rather than into the roll. Not exactly the look I was going for but should be okay.

I have Scouts tonight so probably won't be able to assemble the cage until after work tomorrow. Am thinking about crimping some of the bends in the wire rather than just cutting straight sides and ringing the panels together. Basically, the bottom panel and the back panel could be a single 7.5' piece crimped 90 degrees at the 2' point while the front panel and the floor could be another single panel (about 7' 3.5") crimped 90 degrees at the 2' point.

I could in theory do the bottom, rear, roof, front and floor all in one piece except that I decided to make a semi-sloped roof so they'd have more roof surface to hang from. The 45 degree slopes I'd planned call for hypotenuses of 0.707" so that just won't look right in a single sheet. On the other hand, they seem pretty happy now with hanging from the various tree branches I've placed in their cage so maybe I don't have to worry about the roof line.

Only thing is I don't have a crimper -- best I could probably do is use my aluminum contractor's level. That would probably be sufficient if I go with the boxy all-90-degree replan but just cutting and ringing simple panels will likely be quickest.

Any thoughts?


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You lost me a looong time ago. LOL! Could be why I never attempted to make my own cages.


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Good luck on the cage build... I have a massive Klubbertanz cage... the dimensions are 4'x 2'x 5' That's 4ft wide, 2 deep and 5 high... The drop tray is made almost exactly like Nancy's.

One thing to note... even if the cage is skinny enough to fit through the door, you have to make sure you can turn corners with it too... this one BARELY fit around my hallway into the room!




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Thoughts on your build:

Get the crimper... it will save you loads of time wink

Making the cage in one panel would be great... crimping the edges together is the toughest part, so the less of it that you have to do, the better.

I wouldn't worry about the roof... make the roof level and then use any extra wire to make shelves inside their cage... you can see the shelves in mine... The gliders love having different "levels" and you can still incorporate branches and such into the cage.


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Originally Posted By: Paani
I was able to undo the rings holding the mesh roll together using a combination of a good screwdriver and pliers. Am thinking about crimping some of the bends in the wire rather than just cutting straight sides and ringing the panels together.

Only thing is I don't have a crimper -- best I could probably do is use my aluminum contractor's level. Any thoughts?
Yep, I have thoughts! What is the crimper for? You can bend the wire by hand. Just lay it flat on the floor, lay your contractor's level or a 2x4 where you want the bend, and raise up the wire. It helps to have someone stand on the 2x4.

Use the wire cutters to remove the rings. That will also be much easier than the screwdriver/pliers combo when removing rings during assembly if needed.

I still like your original design with the sloped roof. The front, top, back could be bent from one length of wire, with the left and right cut to make the "half-hexagon" shape.

Last edited by nancy1202; 03/02/10 12:46 PM. Reason: got my front/back and left right confused!

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I was thinking about the crimper to make sure I got a good solid bend across the correct wire -- but figured I could use the contractor level or a block of wood as a substitute, just probably wouldn't get as definite a crease.

The problem with my original design is that the slopes have a hypotenuse of 0.707 inches -- not exactly one section on the wire. I can do the bottom and back as one L-shaped piece, the front and floor as one L-shaped piece then the top as an inverted trapezoid. Or I could do the boxy shape as a rectangular spiral (floor to front to roof to back to bottom) with the gap between the floor and bottom for my trays.


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The hypotenuse is 8.48" with 6" sides and 45-degree angles, or .707 feet, not inches.

You get the bend on the correct wire by just aligning the edge of the level or 2x4 along the correct wire, and having someone stand on it so it doesn't move while you are bending the loose edge up. Large lengths of wire are very easy to bend - especially with the 16 gauge you ordered. Shorter lengths - not so easy.


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Ooops, you're right, classic unit standardization error. I'm going to blame it on lack of sleep (was watching the guys puzzle out their new Stealth wheel until after 1 AM).

Well, 8.5" is certainly doable -- I can't measure or do the bend to within 0.02" -- and I can measure a cardboard template for the roof angles. I'll see if I have some spare boards around that will help me keep the creases uniform.


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Ugh, trying to crimp/crease the edges working with 21 feet of 4 foot mesh is a pain! I'm on the first crease to go for the angled roof and it's a mess dealing with the other wire. I'm thinking this will go alot faster if I do the bottom/rear and floor/front L-shaped sections and then mount the roof as a fifth piece (the sides being pieces 3 and 4).


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That's a nice cage Meghan. Moving this monstrousity is why I'm building it in the living room -- only half a flight of stairs and no harsh corners to go around if I decide to put it in the family room.

Sherri, this really isn't hard, I just want to do it right the first time. To be honest, I'm probably putting 5x too much thought into it -- and it would be 3x easier if I just cut the wire mesh into wall sections from the get-go like I'd planned.

Halfway through the cage build, I've got the bottom/back section bent and ringed to the sides. Was still thinking about trying to bend the roof/front floor so all of that was one piece but in the meantime I got a new set of pliers -- my old wire cutters are okay for cutting a few of the wires but it gets painful doing a whole length.

The rings really aren't bad to mount. My major concern right now are the cut ends of the wires. I suppose I can pick up a Dremel on my way home, have been thinking about getting one for a while anyway. My main object is to wipe the wire down and get the build done tonight so I can move them in this weekend and then get it set up with the girl who'll be checking on them while I'm on vacation.


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Thanks for all the help and advice nancy. I'm not real happy with the doors but the three I've cut so far will do for now. I moved the boys in today after securing the doors, putting in fresh eucalyptus and placing a bunch of willow branches inside.

They spent a couple hours running all over the cage and inspecting everything. With all that, they're napping in the glider kitchen! They've slept in one of their food dishes 2 out of the last 3 days so not sure what's going on other than some extreme pouch protectiveness.

I'll try to post some pictures tomorrow.


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You are very welcome! I'm more than happy to share what worked for me and what didn't to hopefully make someone else's project a bit easier!

Your gliders are probably just overwhelmed by all of the space and the new environment. Try putting some of their "stinky" pouches and toys in the new cage to give them familiar scents.

Looking forward to pics of the roof. I really like the design! clap


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Okay, had to make a new Photobucket account but here are pics of the new cage:

Slideshow of all the construction pictures:
Slideshow of cage building pictures

In particular, these are pictures of the roof you were interested in:

Right roof line

Left roof line


I'd post more but I need to head to bed.

Almost ready for occupancy

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i would love to know where you found the pvc coated wire mesh- i could not locate any so i just built a pvc frame and am putting the hardware cloth on now

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That is a very nice cage, love the design

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It looks great, you did a very nice job... I really like that you will have two drop trays... my huge cage only has one and it is a pain to take in and out!


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You did a wonderful job! clap I love the roof.

I see you added door liner to the doors themselves - was that to close the gaps? The outer edges of the doors should fit snug against the door opening without the door liner if bent slightly inward at the edges. Your spring latches may be harder to close with the extra width of the outer door liner.

One suggestion I would make is to lower the roof one row to eliminate the gaps at the upper rear corners. The raw edges of the side panels would then be outside the roof instead of inside. Did that make sense? It's tricky working with angles with the rectangular holes in the mesh, as I discovered when making my 5-ft half-hex cage. I thought I'd never get the edges of my cage floor to line up with the walls, but still have corners to ring. shakehead


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Yes, I was using the liners to stiffen the doors. The problem I had was the 4-foot roll of mesh didn't flatten well so had a tendency to bulge. I'm going to address those later by getting some reinforcing wire to stiffen and flatten the edges. I'd love to have used the Klubertanz premade doors but their sizes didn't match with my plans.

The problem with the gaps in the upper rear corners was that while I planned to make a cardboard template, I cut freeform and made a few errors on those angle cuts. They should have been easy but I plead exhaustion at 1 AM when I was doing those pieces. The gaps are there because I erroneously cut a couple vertices I shouldn't have.

I have the fleece in there to block the exits for now but I actually plan on making those errors into bonuses by using them as mounting holes for some climbing branches or something similar. I made another error in that the rear roofline SHOULD extend 2 squares instead of 1 like the front roof to get a full inch. I set my first few rings wrong so instead of trying to pull them and redo (this was the LAST ringing of the night before I went to bed), I used the extra half-inch to give the rear roof a gentle curve inward.

Honestly, the biggest problems in execution were that I should have had the trays in place when I formed and ringed the bottom and floor to the sides. They are TIGHT now and a pain to extract. I can solve that easily by shaving the edges just a tad but I could have prevented it by having them in place as I was ringing.

The bottom warps a little without the trays. In retrospect, it would have been better to NOT bend the mesh but instead just use flat panels and maybe have a thicker wire mesh panel for the floor. I'm thinking about adding some of my leftover mesh on the sides for additional structural support at the bottom but the frame itself doesn't really need it. The front wobbles a little bit due to size but that will disappear when I put in the additional middle shelf and/or climbing branches. I just wanted to get them in the new cage so they'd have nearly a week in it before I go on vacation.

They were pretty excited at first, climbing around it but have seemed kind of unhappy the past couple days. They slept a lot yesterday and only ate about half their meal. I think it's just that I disturbed their routine; they have more room to play now but they had gotten used to the smaller cage so this is new -- but this is why I wanted to get them in the new cage for several days before I depart so I could monitor their stress first-hand.

In a way, I'd love to foster or adopt a couple more gliders to play in there. It almost seems a waste to only have two in there but I wanted to give my two plenty of room to play. I've even thought about how I could use polyethylene screen or hardware net to subdivide the cage into two homes while the gliders were getting accustomed to each other (post-quarantine of course).


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I'm sure your gliders love their new cage, they just have to get acclimated to it!

When you get to work on toys and branches, make sure to have lots of foraging toys... this way, your gliders will explore their whole cage every night searching for their treats!


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Paani  Offline OP
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Joined: Jan 2010
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Colorado, USA
Thanks, was worried yesterday because it seemed like they had spent the whole previous day in pouch and they looked depressed or stressed when I looked in on them. I really wanted to give them some tent time but it seems like I stress them out more in getting them to go to the tent -- one of the reasons for the cage's size is so they have as much room to jump around as they did in the tent even if I don't get to play too frown

I was relieved when I woke up last night and checked on them at 4 AM. They were out of pouch and running around the cage albeit still shy of me. Judah was really getting into jumping/gliding the two feet from front to back and back to front. Anson even did that a couple times but he seems like my lazy boy -- rarely moves any faster or farther than he absolutely has to. Heard a crashing sound around 6 AM but then nothing -- knew from the sound that they'd knocked over one of the food dishes that wasn't secured to the cage side.

Finally got up this morning and yep, the fruit dish was upside down on the floor of the cage and the boys were in pouch with a "What? I didn't do anything!" expression on their faces.

I need to get in the backyard and cut some more willow for them to play with, they seem to enjoy the branches, and I like the idea of the egg baskets. Am waiting for a cage set that includes a nice foraging toy.


Nala, Ronald & Reuel (formerly Eladio & Petal) :plat:
Judah :rbridge: Anson :rbridge: Lele :rbridge: Laki :rbridge:
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