I know that there have got to be some breeders out there that breed for WT.. From my understanding, it isnt a "normal recessive" gene? Can someone tell me what lines produce them? Or if some lines have more of a chance or producing them?
I know that my line of Seabee (WF from a MO/WF line) and Badger (BB from a MO line) have produced a WFT 3 times out of 3 litters. I am not a gene person so I can't answer all your other questions but I am sure someone else will be on who can.
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There are lines that breed for it, Priscilla has several. I am picking up a female to go with one of my joeys who is a minimal WT. It also came out of one line of WF as well.
The reason it isn't like a normal recessive is that it can come up seemingly out of nowhere. And then there are the WT gliders who breed and have joeys without white tips.
I just had a White Tip out of a Mosaic and a Leu. Come to find out, the Mosaic's mother's family are all White Tip Hets.
This is what confuses me with white tips and mosaics. Wouldn't you have to prove your joey out to see if it is a mosaic or white tip since it is from a mosaic parent?
Kayla, just her mother's side are WT Hets. Yes, she'll have to be bred to make sure she's a true White Tip. Although she doesn't have any other white on her and her knuckles are dark on all four feet. But, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
I breed for WT. Stardust is a WF/WT het... she has produces some nice sized WT and her sister had a large WT.... so far 2 out of 5 of her joeys were WT. The father has no WT lineage. He is a WF Champagne.
Can any of you that have Mosaics answer a question for me? I know Mo is a Dominant trait, if it shows they have it, if it doesn't they don't. What I don't understand for sure is if the Mos that have a lot of white on them (assuming that the original ones that were inbred to sterility increased the amount of white with each line) will still be able to have babies as white as they are if bred to a normal or if the Mo coloring will fade back out.
In other words, are the very light Mos I see out there, even if not sterile or bred too tightly, the result of lots of Mosaic ancestors or did they just get lucky and look beautiful?
What I don't understand for sure is if the Mos that have a lot of white on them (assuming that the original ones that were inbred to sterility increased the amount of white with each line) will still be able to have babies as white as they are if bred to a normal or if the Mo coloring will fade back out.
In other words, are the very light Mos I see out there, even if not sterile or bred too tightly, the result of lots of Mosaic ancestors or did they just get lucky and look beautiful?
A white mo bread to a purple, white, spotted, wt, grey, or leu... will make a variety of joeys. It doesn't mater what you pair a mosaic to, they will have some normal, some mosaic, and the mosaics will normally all range in color.
It doesn't mater if it is a very whiteish mosaic or a tiny white dot mosaic, they can all produce from white mosaics to a dot. It's just random. In almost every case.
I have a normal mosaic that ONLY gives me grey babies, wfbs, or almost all white mosics. But that is odd and not the normal.
Pair a mosic to anything you want, you are not going to dilute the mosic in them.
As for a white tip born to a mosaic. Look at the hands. I have never known a wt to be born from a mosaic that has dark hands go onto produce a mosaic. They should have at least one white hand with that tip to show they are a mosaic.
This is where it can get tricky.
I have 2 boys now born to a mo, both have black tails, and tiny (and by this I mean teeny tiny) dot on the back of the neck, and barely white hands. The white does not go up the leg. The first boy just proved out buy having an offspring, rt mosaic. The other little boy is just now oop himself.
If you are looking at a white tip born to mosaic parents and you are unsure what you have. Post lots of good pictures and ask others.
If you are looking at a white tip NOT born to mosaics... you have a white tip.
You must have at least one mosaic parent to make a mosaic joey.
You do not have to have white tip parents (not even one) to make a white tip joey.
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I have a retired pair of a grey female & white tip male. They had several joeys, all females and never a white tip. My Chance was out of a mosaic Dad & a WFB Mom. He was a white tipped, ring tailed mosaic.
Thank you Alicia. That really makes things much clearer to me. I just put down my deposit on my first Mo and am really excited. He had a beautiful brother too, and from what you are telling me they each are just as likely to pass on the gene. He is also a possible Leu Het so I am pairing him with my Leu Het female and hoping I can prove him out.
I have heard some people say that the Leu gene helps bring out the Mosaic? Do you think that is true or just a guess?
PS. We loved your pouches and they are getting a lot of use.
This is where I am wondering as well with my pair.
Tippy is a WT, his mother is a mosaic (Gorgeous rings on her tail) and his daddy is a black beauty. I think his older brother Alexander looks more like a WF. The breeder is pretty sure Tippy is a minimally marked mo because he does have some white whiskers, which I was told is a "mark" of a mo, and his face is very white as well. Ill have to post pics for you to see...
The first pic is Tippy (smaller) with Alex...same parents. The second pic is a close up of his face and the third is when he was a wee baby with his tipped tail in view.
Lethe is a lion...and she is currently has a joey ip...maybe 4-5 weeks. So, now I am very curious on the possiblities of what this joey can look like...a lion, standard grey, a mosaic or a wt. But with his daddy being a black beauty...is that also a possibility? Their joey being a bb?? Im glad I found this thread, since I am not the only one with these questions LOL...its a little confusing.
I know that my line of Seabee (WF from a MO/WF line) and Badger (BB from a MO line) have produced a WFT 3 times out of 3 litters. I am not a gene person so I can't answer all your other questions but I am sure someone else will be on who can.
Dani you still tired from your trip?? Badger is from a WT line not a mosaic line silly
Lauren, LOL guess I was I don't even remember posting that thanks for correcting that Badger is from a WT Line not a MO Line. My bad.
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Thank you Alicia. That really makes things much clearer to me. I just put down my deposit on my first Mo and am really excited. He had a beautiful brother too, and from what you are telling me they each are just as likely to pass on the gene. He is also a possible Leu Het so I am pairing him with my Leu Het female and hoping I can prove him out.
I have heard some people say that the Leu gene helps bring out the Mosaic? Do you think that is true or just a guess?
PS. We loved your pouches and they are getting a lot of use.
You'll need to post a lot of pics to see if he produces leus or whit mo's then! Either are gorgeous!