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Blended Diet Concerns - Part One

Posted By: Adri

Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/06/11 11:45 PM

In the recent month I have been contacted by several breeders needing help, all these breeders were feeding the Blended Diet. After being on the Blended Diet for 6 months to a year these breeders started noticing poor coat health, reduced activity, loss of weight in adults, very small joeys, parents with no previous history of rejection and or cannibalization all of a sudden started rejecting and and cannibalizing, lactating mothers not having sufficient milk to sustain her joeys. These are all valid accounts and not here say. This is not an attempt to bash a diet but an honest concern for the well being of gliders, mainly those in a breeding environment.
Posted By: Holly1221

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 12:02 AM

wow, i had not heard of this. i hope if ther is something going on that it can be corrected if need be. i'm not much help as i do not feed this diet. i hope other's come by to help you out !
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 12:05 AM

Adri, can you elaborate on the number of gliders and how long the issue(s) have been going on? Also, what version of the diet? It's my understanding there are three different blends of Blended Diet...someone please correct me if I am wrong.
Posted By: sunjana1

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 12:05 AM

I know there are several versions of the Blended. Have you noted if they are all the same version? If so which version?
Posted By: Adri

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 12:27 AM

Jessica, I have just been contacted in the last month by several breeders, one the breeders was feeding ver #4 and the regular version.
Posted By: IslandGliders

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 12:44 AM

This really frightens me. I just switched to the blended diet about a month ago, from BML (my gliders had stopped eating it).
Posted By: WintersSong

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 12:48 AM

Originally Posted By: ParadiseOnCall
This really frightens me. I just switched to the blended diet about a month ago, from BML (my gliders had stopped eating it).


Don't get scared just yet. You will hear health concerns about every diet out there.
Posted By: WintersSong

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 12:49 AM

Originally Posted By: Adri
Jessica, I have just been contacted in the last month by several breeders, one the breeders was feeding ver #4 and the regular version.


Can you clarify how many "several" is?
Posted By: Adri

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 01:01 AM

There are five different breeders with a total of close to 70 gliders affected.
Posted By: KarenE

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 01:04 AM


Please make sure you read our policy on Diet Bashing paying particular attention to the quote below:

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diet bashing will not be tolerated. If you wish to promote a diet then do it on fact rather than by directly or indirectly flaming another diet. If you have something negative to say about BML or any other diet, then be prepared to have GC administration approve your proof before you post. We suggest you research diets and choose the one you believe best for your gliders.


We ask that everyone not panic as we have no first hand information regarding what has been posted.

Please remember when feeding any diet, other than your vet, the person you should contact when there are unexpected side effects is the creator of the diet.

We do not know if Candy is even aware of any problems.
Posted By: Marsupial_Mayhem

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 01:10 AM

Neither have I until today, Anri. A mutual friend of mine and yours contacted me today to tell me every thing from loss of hair to underweight joeys and rejected joeys. She is the first one I have ever heard about it from. This person is the only one I have heard this from.

I have fed the Blended Diet now since May of last year. I currently have 36 adults and various joeys.

All I can say is that all my gliders are healthy, fur good, no dehydration, no rejected joeys. I have two males that are half brothers that are both weaned. They are both huge.

All of my gliders are doing very well. All females who are breeding age are breeding. To date, no health issues.

I think it's very important that Candy hear this. I will invite her to the conversation.
Posted By: gliderdad79

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 01:13 AM

Originally Posted By: WintersSong
Originally Posted By: ParadiseOnCall
This really frightens me. I just switched to the blended diet about a month ago, from BML (my gliders had stopped eating it).


Don't get scared just yet. You will hear health concerns about every diet out there.


That is correct, each diet will have its day(s) under a microscope. Fact is, no one knows what is best and no one diet is best for every glider.

Over the years I have seen people say, i feed xxx diet but don't mention the variations they made and the 2 pounds of treats added each week that alone can play a huge factor.
Posted By: snowbabygliders

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 01:24 AM

so far, i believe there are 5 breeders i know of including myself... i would guess combined gliders including joeys affected to be between 60-70 gliders maybe if you take into acct the joeys that were lost or were affected as well. As a breeder with 20 gliders, that all seem to breed around the same time, I can say i normally have 5-10 gliders at least oop at a time, and some ip. This is not about bashing a diet, so please know that, and this is not about bashing the creator. It is about getting down to what may be amiss asap and hopefully by posting what symptoms and what happened, if there is actually something amiss in the diet, we can save a glider's life. With very similar symptoms arising from totally different breeders, it does seem to be diet related.
Posted By: Marsupial_Mayhem

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 01:28 AM

I am writing all my friends who currently feed the diet so we can get their input as well.

There is only one I know of with issues. If they would just write on here their experiences, we would know of more.

I am just very confused. I have no issues at all with my gliders and all my joeys are healthy.
Posted By: WintersSong

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 01:30 AM

Kristy -- can you share what problems your own gliders have been having? Is it only your breeding pairs and their joeys, or all of your gliders?
Posted By: ValkyrieMome

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 01:31 AM

I haven't contacted Adri - but I recently switched back to modified-HPW from Blended.

I didn't lose any joeys. But I noticed an extreme decrease in activity and poor coat conditions. My gliders' started looking scrawny to me. But it is the decreased activity that caused me to switch back. I have 20 gliders, 4 of whom are currently breeding, but last month had 4 breeding pairs.

I have spoken with 3 other breeders who have also switched back for the same reasons.

I don't know if those are on Adri's list or not - but I suspect they are.
Posted By: ValkyrieMome

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 01:35 AM

*Add: Until I spoke to Kristy and two other "glider friends", I had attributed the changes in my gliders to be seasonal, or maybe humidity.

When 4 of us realized we were all seeing the same things, in different climates, etc, I decided to change.
Posted By: KarenE

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 01:36 AM

We have only ONE person in this thread so far with first hand information.

Kristy, have your gliders been vet checked? What were the results? Have you had any deaths? If so, was there a necropsy? Results?
Posted By: Marsupial_Mayhem

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 01:36 AM

Ok. Have any of you sent the information to Candy.

It's really important for her to understand what is going on here and to see the vet records as well if you have them.

Just coming on here and talking about is fine, but Candy really needs to be made aware of what is going on and maybe she can help put a finger on it.
Posted By: snowbabygliders

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 01:37 AM

Hi Danielle.. wave do you add anything extra into the diet besides how it is written? of course, besides the occasional treat. Anything on a more regular basis or anything that may be providing additional nutrients to the diet? Thanks so much wink
Posted By: KarenE

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 01:38 AM

Alden, you also switched because you think your gliders also showed effects of their diet. Were they vet checked or did you do what most of us would probably do and just make the switch?
Posted By: gliderdad79

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 01:42 AM

This is a very important topic and hopefully everyone can work together to get to the root of things. As long as facts are given and not assumptions/speculations we can hopefully figure it out. Please keep any personal issues out as well as bashing of the diet. We can discuss these things without bashing and drama since we are adults here.

This is not directed to any post here, we know how heated things can get when diets are involved. Please notify us if you see something not right and let us handle it.

I think those who have been seeing the issue should post what it is they are seeing happen so we can all collaborate and get to the bottom of this. Post the facts (variations, supplements,etc), anything else will just steer the focus away from figuring out what may be happening.
Posted By: ValkyrieMome

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 01:44 AM

Karen- they were vet checked, actually. At least some of them - not all 20. The adults had lost weight, and the joeys - who were 10-12 weeks at the time of the check - were underweight, according to the vet. All had a fecal performed and it came back negative for any parasites.

Again, the most concerning sign for me was the lack of activity. My gliders wake up comparatively early - by 5:30 in the winter. They are up and playing until around midnight, then snooze until 1:30 or 2 - then play until around dawn. That has been their predictable schedule for quite some time.

I noticed that most cages were sleeping until 8 or later - and that the ones that were awake earlier were back to bed by 10 or so. All cages were taking 4-5 hour "naps" during the night, and playing considerably less. Less wheel running. Less bells jingling.

EDIT TO ADD: I feed the Variation without eggs? I think it is #2...
Posted By: WintersSong

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 01:49 AM

Okay -- Alden, and anyone else who had this problem and switched back to another diet, have you noticed an improvement in your gliders since you got them off of the blended diet?
Posted By: Marsupial_Mayhem

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 01:49 AM

Ok. Have any of you sent the information to Candy.

It's really important for her to understand what is going on here and to see the vet records as well if you have them.

Just coming on here and talking about is fine, but Candy really needs to be made aware of what is going on and maybe she can help put a finger on it.
Posted By: Marsupial_Mayhem

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 01:52 AM

Yes. I do add protein once a week. I also add the glider booster milk each night, a sprinkle on top of the food.

Maybe this is why I am not having issues? I really can't tell you the reason.

All I can say is I have been very worried about it since you wrote me about it. I don't want to harm my gliders, but at the same time, they are all doing so good.
Posted By: ValkyrieMome

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 01:52 AM

I haven't contacted Candy.

And I haven't seen improvement, as I'm only one batch into the switch back to HPW. This was all extremely recent for me.

I was waiting to see if I noticed a change once I was back on HPW before I contacted Candy...
Posted By: Marsupial_Mayhem

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 01:58 AM

I see. I just find this whole thing very upsetting.

I am not sure what I will do.
Posted By: gliderdad79

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 02:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Marsupial_Mayhem
Ok. Have any of you sent the information to Candy.

It's really important for her to understand what is going on here and to see the vet records as well if you have them.

Just coming on here and talking about is fine, but Candy really needs to be made aware of what is going on and maybe she can help put a finger on it.


Yes, it is very important that Candy gets any vet records and such.
Posted By: jen102375

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 02:11 AM

I had my gliders on the Blended diet and I followed it to the T for 8 months. I have recently switched back to HPW diet. When I first started the Blended my gliders looked great and loved it. But within 6 months I had 3 rejected joey's and my gliders fur was all cracked and I mean bad cracked, They also were not comming out to play at night. At the time I had 12 gliders they all had cracked fur and showed severe energy loss. Within 2 weeks of switching back to the HPW diet almost all of my gliders were back to normal. High energy levels, Their Fur is soft full and fluffy again.
Posted By: KarenE

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 02:17 AM

Jen, did you communicate your concerns to Candy?
Posted By: snowbabygliders

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 02:22 AM

Originally Posted By: KarenE
We have only ONE person in this thread so far with first hand information.

Kristy, have your gliders been vet checked? What were the results? Have you had any deaths? If so, was there a necropsy? Results?


Yes, my gliders are vet checked. When everything hit the fan , it went from slow symptoms to it just went downhill fast. Parasites have been ruled out and i am very diligent in fecaling, both smears and floats. No adult deaths, However I was in tears for about 4 days feeling at a loss when everything hit the fan so quick. Like I said it was gradual things then all of a sudden things changed rather quickly. I pushed sub-q fluids given by the vet and gatorade. They seemed to show improvement for a couple hrs then eliminate the fluids and we were back where we started. We looked at gliders added , which ones were added this 2010 and what else was changed in 2010. The two things changed in 2010 was diet and a couple more pairs. The deaths were of cannabalized joeys from low birth weights of 10 grams. The other joeys were pulled from ip and then cannablaized and i never got to see them other than feeling them while ip. No adults died, however right before the diet switch back to HPW, I thought it was going to happen. As soon as i switched back to HPW, the adults and joeys that were oop and survived, got so much better. Now everything is back to as it should be and has been since the switch.

Symptoms were initially cracked fur and minor weight loss at first to more weight loss, loss of energy, tails not being bushy and hairs on tails seeming like they were thinning but not in an overgrooming manner, joeys lost that were newly oop or ip by cannabalization, dehydration was last to set in with continued weight loss and continuance of the symptoms listed. Once i switched cold turkey back to HPW my last resort, everything seemed to start to improve within a week and a half. the fur of course and coats took about a month to get back to normal but dehydration, energy, even fluffier tails, and definitely weight improved more drastically than i had expected.
Posted By: jen102375

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 02:23 AM

No, To be honest, I did not even think of that. I simply switched back to the diet that I started with.
Posted By: ValkyrieMome

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 02:28 AM

Originally Posted By: kristy55303
Symptoms were initially cracked fur and minor weight loss at first to more weight loss, loss of energy, tails not being bushy and hairs on tails seeming like they were thinning but not in an overgrooming manner,


I saw all these symptoms. Mine haven't progressed any further - no lost joeys or dehydration.

The tails thing is very noticeable. Even my joeys don't have fluffy tails.

I haven't been switched back even a week yet.

I PMed Candy a link to this thread. It was not my intention to keep it a secret from her, nor to talk behind her back. I just was sort of stunned to discover it was more than just me and my gliders, and it wasn't weather related or something like that. This is all very new to me, so I didn't really feel I had anything to contact Candy with. However, I think she should be aware of this discussion!
Posted By: KarenE

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 02:32 AM

She has been contacted. Remember this is Super Bowl Sunday.
Posted By: jen102375

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 02:34 AM

Alden, I noticed a change in fur in about 1-2 weeks. I still have 2 gliders that are not fully back but really close and it's been about a month maybe a little over.
Posted By: KarenE

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 02:57 AM

Originally Posted By: jen102375
I had my gliders on the Blended diet and I followed it to the T for 8 months. I have recently switched back to HPW diet. When I first started the Blended my gliders looked great and loved it. But within 6 months I had 3 rejected joey's and my gliders fur was all cracked and I mean bad cracked, They also were not comming out to play at night. At the time I had 12 gliders they all had cracked fur and showed severe energy loss. Within 2 weeks of switching back to the HPW diet almost all of my gliders were back to normal. High energy levels, Their Fur is soft full and fluffy again.


Back to normal after eight (8) months is a huge improvement. I would certainly think this worth mentioning to Candy.

Breeders are not the only people feeding this diet!!

If there is truly cause for concern because of the diet ingredients, you have an obligation to contact the author of any diet.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 03:00 AM

I have been feeding the blended diet (original blend) since about mid-December, and as of late, I too have noticed a difference in my boys..

Now, when I first got my boys, they were on the Ensure diet. I felt that for them, the Ensure diet didn't work as they seemed a bit greasy and had a putrid smell to them(in my opinion). So I did a little research and decided on the blended diet. After switching, I did seem to notice some improvement. They had more energy, were awake during normal "glider hours" and really played. They even started feeling less greasy, and their smell improved immensely.

Now, after having fed the blended diet for a little over a month, I've noticed change in my boys yet again. They sleep a LOT now. It's rare that I ever catch them awake anymore. They have an odd smell to them now (different than before), particularly when they urinate. Their urine has a very strong smell. They also seem to be getting "greasy" again. And now that it has been brought to my attention, their fur does appear to be cracking. It is by no means severe, but it's not the smooth coat that gliders should have.

My boy's poo has been odd lately as well. It's been extremely hard an jet black, not like their "normal poo". Just putting this out there so see if maybe anyone else has noticed a difference in poo...

I can not attest to the "fluffiness" of their tails, as my boys have had scrawny tails since I've had them..

I do hope, if this IS in fact diet related, that we can quickly amend the problem.
Posted By: ValkyrieMome

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 03:02 AM

Candy just PMed me. She is online and is aware of the thread. She is reading, then I'm sure she'll respond, if appropriate.
Posted By: IslandGliders

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 03:03 AM

I feel nauseous right now. One of my girls has just dropped joeys IP (I think).

I noticed my gliders' tail fur was looking a little thin, but I didn't think anything of it (thought maybe it was the weather?). Other than that, we have had no symptoms here, but we've only been on the blended diet for about three weeks.

This anecdotal evidence is enough for me. I am going to switch to HPW.
Posted By: WintersSong

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 03:03 AM

Haleigh, I have to ask -- just for the sake of understanding fully if this problem is diet related or otherwise -- have you taken your gliders to the vet since you began noticing changes? Have they had fecals recently?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 03:07 AM

Originally Posted By: WintersSong
Haleigh, I have to ask -- just for the sake of understanding fully if this problem is diet related or otherwise -- have you taken your gliders to the vet since you began noticing changes? Have they had fecals recently?

They were taken to the vet and had fecals done a few days before I got them (I got them Thanksgiving day, 2010) and the results were clear. Since then, no I haven't had them into a vet.. So they were last checked about 2 months ago.
Posted By: WintersSong

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 03:10 AM

I would have them vet checked to make sure that the changes are, in fact, diet related.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 03:18 AM

Originally Posted By: WintersSong
I would have them vet checked to make sure that the changes are, in fact, diet related.

Will do!
Posted By: CandyOtte

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 03:23 AM

I just received a phone call to alert me to this thread.

I have not seen any problems with my gliders, but I only have 12 and only 1 breeding pair. They have had two joeys that are both growing well.

I am sorry if any of you feel the diet has been a problem. I have no idea what changes if any would be called for.

The Blended Diet does not contain any ingredients that have not been used in other glider diets - except the use of a human grade calcium supplement instead of the RepCal used in BML. But even that is not entirely new as both Darcy's diet uses human grade calcium and Priscilla Price's vitamin combination also contains a human grade calcium product.

The major difference between the Blended Diet and other diets is the amounts of various ingredients.

Now, my turn to ask questions. First, I would have appreciated an email or PM from any of you that have had concerns. I have asked all along that you give me feedback on how your gliders are doing on the Blended Diet. This is the first negative feedback I have had since I posted the diet over a year ago.

Those of you who have concerns, what fruits and vegetables are you regularly using with the Blended Diet?

Are you offering a wide variety of different fruits and vegetables?

Are you using any of the "relish" or "smoothie" recipes that rely heavily on Bok Choi and Papaya?

What types of treats do you offer, and how much.

There are SO MANY variables involved in the way we each feed our gliders, I find it very difficult to say that the Blended Diet is the only thing the 4 or 5 households that are reporting problems have in common.

How many of you switched to the Blended Diet because you were having difficulty getting your gliders to eat fruits and vegetables? What changes did you see in that behavior when you changed to the Blended Diet.

Are those of you seeing a problem using the Calcium Carbonate or have you chosen to use Calcium Citrate?

I am not sure the diet needs any changes. If it is not the right diet for your gliders, by all means choose another diet.

Have you discussed the Blended Diet with your Vet and showed your vet the comparison chart for nutrients in the Blended Diet, BML and HPW? What were your vet's comments? Did your vet see any part of the diet that should be of concern? Please share the comments from your vet with me.

Thank you to those of you that had the courtesy to contact me and let me know this thread was running full speed ahead with out me.
Posted By: Meg_n_Von

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 03:29 AM

I think that vet checks would be a good idea as well. Then that way you will know if they have a bug or not. I sure hope this isn't from the diet and just a strange coincidence. A lot of people use the Blended diet. frown
Posted By: Berg

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 03:34 AM

We have been feeding the Blended diet (variation 2) to our gliders for over a year and have had no problems. We provide a balanced selection of fruits and vegetables with the blended mix, and they usually get a little yogurt for a morning treat and meal worms as an afternoon snack. We weigh all four gliders every week and have kept a record of their weight since we got them.
Posted By: snowbabygliders

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 04:00 AM

Originally Posted By: OtteMom
I just received a phone call to alert me to this thread.

I have not seen any problems with my gliders, but I only have 12 and only 1 breeding pair. They have had two joeys that are both growing well.

I am sorry if any of you feel the diet has been a problem. I have no idea what changes if any would be called for.

The Blended Diet does not contain any ingredients that have not been used in other glider diets - except the use of a human grade calcium supplement instead of the RepCal used in BML. But even that is not entirely new as both Darcy's diet uses human grade calcium and Priscilla Price's vitamin combination also contains a human grade calcium product.

The major difference between the Blended Diet and other diets is the amounts of various ingredients.

Now, my turn to ask questions. First, I would have appreciated an email or PM from any of you that have had concerns. I have asked all along that you give me feedback on how your gliders are doing on the Blended Diet. This is the first negative feedback I have had since I posted the diet over a year ago.I was drafting an email this morning, apologize it did not get out to you, it has not been sent yet as I wanted to cover every minute detail as possible in it when i was writing it. I know you have your whole heart in the diet and gliders Candy. I have never doubted that for a second, not even after what happened with my gliders. There is still at least one other breeder that has not come forward yet probably due to the game. I wonder if this is just related to breeding gliders?

Those of you who have concerns, what fruits and vegetables are you regularly using with the Blended Diet?
We do offer a wide variety of fruits and vegetables. Mostly fresh. No smoothies. I don't do the papaya and bok choy all the time as overloading with calcium would not be good either since the ca:ph ratio of the diet is pretty ideal the way it is written. We feed everything in variety that is on the safe fruits and veggies list. To go over everything would just be listing off the safe fruits and veggies list to be honest. we fed great variety and always have. we take into acct the ca:ph ratios when feeding them
Are you offering a wide variety of different fruits and vegetables?

Are you using any of the "relish" or "smoothie" recipes that rely heavily on Bok Choi and Papaya?

What types of treats do you offer, and how much. yoggies not often, papaya or mango or blueberry dried fruit as a treat but not all in the same week even, and mealies once in a while, only as treats and certainly not daily or near as that is what they are, just treats. treats are given in moderation per a diet. too much can be harmful and take away from the nutrients they would get from their food.

There are SO MANY variables involved in the way we each feed our gliders, I find it very difficult to say that the Blended Diet is the only thing the 4 or 5 households that are reporting problems have in common.

How many of you switched to the Blended Diet because you were having difficulty getting your gliders to eat fruits and vegetables?my gliders are not picky eaters, so my switch had nothing to do with getting them to eat fruits and veggies. they ate them fine on the HPW and the blended. They ate all their food most nights on both diets. Never an eating issue here. What changes did you see in that behavior when you changed to the Blended Diet.

Are those of you seeing a problem using the Calcium Carbonate or have you chosen to use Calcium Citrate?calcium carbonate as it was written to begin with

I am not sure the diet needs any changes. If it is not the right diet for your gliders, by all means choose another diet.

Have you discussed the Blended Diet with your Vet and showed your vet the comparison chart for nutrients in the Blended Diet, BML and HPW? yes we discussed it,however he felt as I did when i presented it that the ca:ph ratios were easier to calculate and thus he agreed would be a good choice. I did not bring anything to him except the written diet, not the comparisons, I explained what i knew from reading it to him and how at the time I felt it would be beneficial and easier of a diet for the gliders. I gave him your website. No, he did not see concerns when presented. What were your vet's comments? Did your vet see any part of the diet that should be of concern? Please share the comments from your vet with me.

Thank you to those of you that had the courtesy to contact me and let me know this thread was running full speed ahead with out me.
Posted By: Feather

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 04:41 AM

Quote:

How many of you switched to the Blended diet because you were having difficulty getting your gliders to eat fruits and vegetables?I switched to the blended diet after my gliders quit eating BML and HPW, they never cleaned up their fruits and vegetables.

What changes did you see in that behavior when you changed to the Blended diet.I have had three gliders gain weight, they are all cleaning up their vegetables and most of their fruit, I do over feed, lol.

Have you discussed the Blended diet with your vet and showed your vet the comparison chart for nutrients in the Blended diet, BML and HPW? What were your vet's comments? Did your vet see any part of the diet that should be of concern? Please share the comments from your vet with me.I sent my vet the diet when Candy first posted it on GC. After being on it for almost a year, my vet things their fur is outstanding and they all look great. I have seen no changes in activity levels.


I also want to add that I switched to this diet shortly after almost losing my little Jadzia, she was on HPW from the breeder and I was feeding HPW at that time. She is doing outstanding, she has gained weight and currently has her third set of twins (this was her fourth pregnancy, the first being a single).

I feed the original version of the blended diet. My gliders get peas, carrots, corn, green beans, cauliflower and broccoli every night and I rotate fruit nightly between a fruit smoothie with berries, melon, grapes and avocado. I use treats sparingly.
Posted By: Glide_Bye_Lily

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 05:48 AM

We too had some problems with the diet. We have seen thinning tails, poor coats (ranging from cracked and not as nice to just TERRIBLE-greasy and discolored) small joeys- one we almost lost at 6 weeks. she was 26 grams (I started hand feeding her HPW and she has been gaining weight steadily.) cannibalized joeys from a pair that has NEVER cannibalized before-nothing outwardly wrong with the joey except she was small but about the same size as her brother that lived, pairs stopped breeding. We switched back to a modified HPW about 3 weeks ago and we just had a joey come OOP 3 days ago. she's much bigger than they have been. We have 26 gliders. just about all have been affected. we fed the original version. Out gliders all gained weight on this diet however- no one got skinny. We did have a female recently start eating her own feces. All our gliders are clean and parasite free and otherwise very healthy.

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Those of you who have concerns, what fruits and vegetables are you regularly using with the Blended diet?
**We feed mixed veggies (corn, green beans, carrots, and peas), sweet potato, collard greens, cucumbers, cantalope, melon, watermelon, papaya, apple, mango, pomagranite, kiwi, grapes once in a while, I'm sure there are other things, we feed a wide variety but these are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

Are you offering a wide variety of different fruits and vegetables?

Are you using any of the "relish" or "smoothie" recipes that rely heavily on Bok Choi and Papaya?
** Once in a while we would do a smoothie with papaya.

What types of treats do you offer, and how much.
**We don't feed treats often, when we do it's mostly yoggies and mealworms. They get a couple of one or the other during nail clipping and maybe one day out of the week get some yoggies at night during play.

There are SO MANY variables involved in the way we each feed our gliders, I find it very difficult to say that the Blended diet is the only thing the 4 or 5 households that are reporting problems have in common.

How many of you switched to the Blended diet because you were having difficulty getting your gliders to eat fruits and vegetables? What changes did you see in that behavior when you changed to the Blended diet.
**Our gliders have always eaten everything just fine. We switched because we like the idea of the Ca:P ratio. They are sometimes picky about their high in calcium fruit and veggies, we liked the idea of not worrying about that. We did not switch soley because they were not eating.
**We did not see any changes until recently and it has been changing slowly over the course of a few months. A few personality changes, nothing I was overly concerned about. Some less active. One female started eating her own feces recently.

Are those of you seeing a problem using the Calcium Carbonate or have you chosen to use Calcium Citrate?
**We use calcium carbonate. I'm not sure if it's related to this or not.

I am not sure the diet needs any changes. If it is not the right diet for your gliders, by all means choose another diet.
**It was not the right diet for us. But that doesn't mean it won't work just fine for other people. thumb

Have you discussed the Blended diet with your vet and showed your vet the comparison chart for nutrients in the Blended diet, BML and HPW? What were your vet's comments? Did your vet see any part of the diet that should be of concern? Please share the comments from your vet with me.
** Our vet loved the idea of the Blended Diet. He thought it seemed to be nutritionally balanced and very good for them as far as the amounts of protein and the Ca:P ratio. We only discussed the differences with HPW and he liked everything in the Blended better than the HPW as far as the calcium and such.

Posted By: oakley

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 05:55 AM

This is news to me. I've been feeding the Blended Diet for 9 months now with no incident of joey weight-loss, cannibalization, poor coat health or any other issue.


Now, I do not use the exact recipe that is on the website, but I've stayed pretty close to it. I do use RepCal.


My main fruit is papaya. My main veggie is spaghetti or butternut squash. I feed the main fruit and veggie (blended with a little yogurt so they are sure to eat it) every night in addition to cut up fruits and veggies.
Posted By: Gizmogirl

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 06:42 AM

Originally Posted By: OtteMom

Now, my turn to ask questions. First, I would have appreciated an email or PM from any of you that have had concerns. I have asked all along that you give me feedback on how your gliders are doing on the Blended Diet. This is the first negative feedback I have had since I posted the diet over a year ago.

We switched from HPW to the Blended diet beginning of August 2010, the reason being that our gliders did not eat as well as they used to. We researched all available diets and decided on the Blended. We used Blended Diet #3 at the time. The gliders were in love with the diet and finished everything in their plates. Two weeks after we started to feed the Blended diet, we noticed their fur was "cracked" and "frizzed", it used to be soft and shiny. We immediately contacted Candy, and she responded quickly and was very helpful.

We initially thought it to be the transition from one diet to another, since the baby chicken food is a significant difference from the HPW to the Blended diet. We ruled out the possibility of using different brands or products, as we import the baby food, cereal, yogurt juice and calcium from the US.

We switched to another variation of the Blended to see if there would be a difference. Candy also asked me to keep her informed and told me that if this continues that she will post a question for Blended diet users to gather more observations, and if others have experienced the same, although no one has contacted her. At the time I had fecals and urinalysis done and all checked out to be healthy. My gliders also gained about 3 to 4 grams, which I loved. After a month, we noticed a slight change for the better in their fur, and I contacted Candy to update her. We then tried the humidifier for a couple of weeks and there was a much needed improvement. From my experience I can say that all of my gliders vet checks were feedback of good health, no dehydration, no rejected joeys from my one breeding pair, and no lethargy. In fact, my gliders, neutered males and breeding pair has become much more playful and energetic.

I further experimented with the different variations, and that's when I noticed weight loss, cracked fur on my breeding pair, and greasy fur on my one chunky monkey. For the past month, I have switched to the Blended Diet #2, to see if I can get my chunky monkey's weight down, and yes, I did. Unfortunately, the others also lost weight on this variation. I had weight losses in one month's time which varied between 4 and 7 grams. I switched back to my original variation, and the weight is climbing again.

I experimented with the different variations on the Blended diet, and saw different results, which made perfect sense for me.



Are you offering a wide variety of different fruits and vegetables?

I have worked out a 12 week menu with the diet calculator:

week 1 (2.1:1)

Mon - 2x TBS blackberries
Tue - 2x Okra
Wed - 2x papaya
Thu - 1x TBS Bok choi, 1 TBS green beans
Fri - 2x TBS pear
Sat - 1x TBS corn, 1x Parsley
Sun - 2x Strawberries

week 2 (2.1:1)

Mon - 2x TBS seedless red&white grapes
Tue - 1x TBS white mushrooms (raw) and 1x TBS celery
Wed - 1x TBS watermelon, 1x TBS red tomato
Thu - 2x TBS Okra
Fri - 2x TBS Papaya
Sat - 2x TBS Carrots
Sun - 1x TBS Orange, 1x TBS Blueberries

week 3 (2.1:1)

Mon - 1x TBS Avocado, 1x TBS peas
Tue - 2x TBS papaya
Wed - 2x TBS Okra
Thu - 2x TBS Pomegranate
Fri - 2x TBS Spaghetti squash
Sat - 2x TBS Cantaloupe
Sun - 2x TBS Egg plant

week 4 (2.1:1)

Mon - 2x TBS Okra
Tue - 2x TBS Apple
Wed - 1x TBS Peas, 1x TBS Bok choi
Thu - 2x TBS Papaya
Fri - 1x TBS Mixed veg, 1x TBS lemon peel
Sat - 1x TBS orange, 1x TBS prickly pear
Sun - 2x TBS okra

week 5 (2.2:1)

Mon - 1x TBS watermelon, 1x TBS raspberry
Tue - 1x TBS parsley, 1x TBS Avocado
Wed - 2x TBS pear
Thu - 1x TBS beet greens, 1x TBS cucumber with skin
Fri - 1x TBS watermelon, 1x TBS raspberry
Sat - 2x TBS okra
Sun - 2x TBS cherry

week 6 (2.0:1)

Mon - 2x TBS asparagus
Tue - 2x TBS grapefruit pink/red
Wed - 2x TBS squash butternut
Thu - 2x TBS mango
Fri - 2x TBS broccoli (florets)
Sat - 2x TBS blueberries
Sun - 2x TBS okra

week 7 (1.9:1)

Mon - 2x TBS peppers (sweet, raw)
Tue - 2x TBS beets (raw)
Wed - 2x TBS kiwi fruit
Thu - 2x TBS potato (white, no skin) baked
Fri - 2x TBS papaya
Sat - 2x TBS okra
Sun - 2x TBS grape (red/green seedless)

week 8 (2.0:1)

Mon - 2x TBS sweet potato baked
Tue - 2x TBS figs raw
Wed - 2x TBS white mushrooms raw
Thu - 2x TBS cranberries raw
Fri - 1x TBS parsley, 1x TBS avocado
Sat - 2x TBS prickly pear
Sun - 1x TBS beet greens, 1x TBS okra

week 9 (2.0:1)

Mon - 2x TBS plum
Tue - 2x TBS egg plant
Wed - 1x TBS pineapple, 1x TBS watermelon
Thu - 2x TBS mixed veggies
Fri - 2x TBS papaya
Sat - 2x TBS okra
Sun - 2x TBS blue berries

week 10 (2.0:1)

Mon - 2x TBS cabbage red raw
Tue - 2x TBS apple with skin
Wed - 2x TBS sweet potato baked
Thu - 2x TBS cantaloupe
Fri - 1x TBS avocado, 1x TBS spinach (raw)
Sat - 2x TBS papaya
Sun - 1x TBS beet greens, 1x okra

week 11 (2.0:1)

Mon - 2x TBS guava
Tue - 2x TBS corn
Wed - 2x TBS pomegranate
Thu - 2x TBS okra
Fri - 2x TBS papaya
Sat - 2x TBS celery
Sun - 2x TBS prickly pear

week 12 (1.9:1)

Mon - 2x TBS Brussels sprouts raw
Tue - 2x TBS cherries
Wed - 2x TBS pepper sweet
Thu - 2x TBS papaya
Fri - 2x TBS peas green raw
Sat - 2x TBS raspberries
Sun - 1x TBS beet greens, 1x TBS parsley




What types of treats do you offer, and how much.

I feed 2-4 meal worms right before bedtime, and during the day I will give each a snack like pomegranate, dried papaya or other favorite fruit.

How many of you switched to the Blended Diet because you were having difficulty getting your gliders to eat fruits and vegetables? What changes did you see in that behavior when you changed to the Blended Diet.

I switched because of this reason, and since on the Blended my gliders eat all their staple, fruits and veggies.

Are those of you seeing a problem using the Calcium Carbonate or have you chosen to use Calcium Citrate?

Calcium Carbonate



I certainly think there are many things to take into consideration. My breeding pair have lost one joey, but I saw the accident happen, Kaida misjudged her glide while having a 5 week IP and landed on the corner of a chair. Also, I have decided to neuter my male because he became increasingly stressed and over obsessed with Kaida and the joeys. This is my personal opinion, based on what I have experienced.
Posted By: carolinasuggies

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 08:47 AM

I have been using the blended for a while now and my glider's have looked (coat and weight wise) and ate better since we started using the blended I have had no cannibalized or rejected joey's!

EDITED TO ADD: I feed the original blend I use the veggies reccomended by Candy as well as a fruit smoothie some weeks and fresh cut up fruit others I also give the nursing mothers a small amount of extra blended!
Posted By: SugarBlossoms

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 04:45 PM

I started using the Blended diet app. 6 weeks ago in hopes of it helping Badge and Bonnie and also Victor, my senior glider who is almost 12 yrs. old. Badge had surgery again last May to have an anal gland removed. The surgery took its toll on him and his weight dropped drastically. His fur was not "recovering" and he has been having issues with peeing on himself in the pouch making him and Bonnie both a mess. Greasy looking fur and thinning on his tail was getting worse after trying many things.

I then purchased a humidifier app. a month ago. It apparently was not the problem as nothing changed.

I went over the Blended diet with a few people and called my vet. I decided to try it since nothing else was working and vet thought it might help because of the protein combination.

Badge did gain weight from 112 to 164 which is okay for his size. However, he was getting worse with his fur and tail looking cracked and greasy. He started getting constipated again. (not good after the anal surgery)

Since he has been on the Blended diet, he has lost 18 grams which is fine, he is at 146 grams now. His fur is softer, still cracked but getting better and his tail is filling out finally.

The constipation stopped, he is active again instead of laying in the pouch not playing at night, he has his energy back. He is also eating his fruits again. (big plus there as he always loved them but stopped eating them almost a year ago)

Badge has serious gum/teeth issues and has to use his side teeth to eat as he lost the top front teeth years ago and his bottom front teeth are protruding out past his nose now due to shifting in the jaw and gums. The Blended diet has enabled him to have more "fruit" since it uses the yogurt juice.

I am using the original without varying. I give my gliders mealworms when I have them and the tiny yogurt drops among many varieties of veggies and fruits. I give them 2 days off the diet and instead feed them boiled chicken or scrambled eggs along with veggies, fruits, yogurt or other things I don't give them each night.

Victor will be 12 yrs. old on June 15th. He has lost weight in the past year and his fur is thinning pretty bad. He's tiny now. He is doing much better on the Blended diet already. He does have a lot of energy for being a senior glider now.

I started ALL of gliders on the Blended diet a week after I started those three on it. They all lick their dishes clean and eat all of their foods again. The one joey I have is 9 weeks old and has no issues with appetite, energy or weight. ALL of my gliders have a lot of energy and no issues since starting the diet. Granted, I have not been using it long but so far things are looking better here.
Posted By: CandyOtte

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 06:02 PM

Glide bye Lily - are you one of Adri's 5 breeders that she opened the thread about?

Thank you all for your comments, good and bad.

Glide Bye Lily you state you use the following vegetables:
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mixed veggies (corn, green beans, carrots, and peas), sweet potato, collard greens, cucumbers,


This is a somewhat short list of vegetables when variety is the goal. Mixed vegetables are usually packaged very heavy on the corn and peas, a few carrots and even fewer green beans. Are you using these frequently? Perhaps adding other vegetables - with any diet you choose to feed - would bring a wider spread of vitamins to the diet. Broccoli, sugar snap peas, spring mix greens, and green beans (with out the corn), butternut squash, yellow squash, zuccini are all others you might include on the menu for variety.

Since the problems are being reported specifically related to Breeding colonies, perhaps offering more Blended Diet - 1 TBS instead of 2 tsp - might be tried even though the diet already has more protein and calcium that the HPW Breeder recipe.

Another thought as come to mind. Gliders in the wild have breeding seasons and according to some they breed more when insects and protein sources are plentiful. I would have to consider the fact that feeding higher protein diets year round may be contributing to more frequent breeding in our captive glider population. Good for breeders that may be looking at profit from increased joey sales, but probably not very good health wise for the breeding gliders. Perhaps someone will study this more in the future and come up with guidelines for feeding gliders in a way that they would naturally extend the periods between joeys. That research is beyond by abilities.

There are so many variables from one glider home to another that all contribute to the health and fur condition of our gliders. I do not know if anyone could begin to name all of these variables.

Now, for those of you experiencing problems - This past year has had some unusual weather extremes. January and February 2010 were much colder (at least here in Florida) than in the past 10+ years. The summer brought new record high temperatures around the country. I think everyone has noticed this winter has brought some extreme cold and record breaking snow in many states.

Have any of you run the heat and/or air conditioning in your homes more that in past years? I know my electric bills say that I have here. This may be one of MANY differences in the environment our gliders live in. The air in my home is much drier when either the heat or AC have to run overtime to keep the temperature comfortable for humans and gliders.

I would love to hear first hand from the other 3 breeders who have expressed their concerns to Adri. (assuming that Kristy and Glide Bye Lily are two of the 5)

"Cracked" fur has been mentioned in so many situations that it does not raise a red flag for me. It has been attributed to dry air in Arizona, to not eating fruits and vegetables with the HPW diet, to dirty or small cage conditions, to pellet foods, and to general poor health to name a few issues to which this problem has been linked in board discussions.
Posted By: Glide_Bye_Lily

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 06:10 PM

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This is a somewhat short list of vegetables when variety is the goal. Mixed vegetables are usually packaged very heavy on the corn and peas, a few carrots and even fewer green beans. Are you using these frequently? Perhaps adding other vegetables - with any diet you choose to feed - would bring a wider spread of vitamins to the diet. Broccoli, sugar snap peas, spring mix greens, and green beans (with out the corn), butternut squash, yellow squash, zuccini are all others you might include on the menu for variety.
**We feed other veggies too. That was just what I could think of off the top of my head at 2 am. lol.


Now, for those of you experiencing problems - This past year has had some unusual weather extremes. January and February 2010 were much colder (at least here in Florida) than in the past 10+ years. The summer brought new record high temperatures around the country. I think everyone has noticed this winter has brought some extreme cold and record breaking snow in many states.


Have any of you run the heat and/or air conditioning in your homes more that in past years? I know my electric bills say that I have here. This may be one of MANY differences in the environment our gliders live in. The air in my home is much drier when either the heat or AC have to run overtime to keep the temperature comfortable for humans and gliders.
**We have heat, but we use a pellet stove. Our house stays cooler in the winter and we have no AC. It's nothing different compared to what we have been doing the last 3 years, and the problems we've experienced have popped up in the last 5 months or so.

I would love to hear first hand from the other 3 breeders who have expressed their concerns to Adri. (assuming that Kristy and Glide Bye Lily are two of the 5)
**Yes we are one of the 5. We contacted Adri because we needed help to save Aurora's life.

"Cracked" fur has been mentioned in so many situations that it does not raise a red flag for me. It has been attributed to dry air in Arizona, to not eating fruits and vegetables with the HPW diet, to dirty or small cage conditions, to pellet foods, and to general poor health to name a few issues to which this problem has been linked in board discussions.
**It is not just 'cracked' fur here. Very poor coats, discolored orange and yellow along with greasyness. Thinning tails, coats in general thinning- not in an overgrooming way.
Posted By: MrsBerg

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 07:38 PM

We have fed all four of our gliders the blended mix since getting them a year ago. Two of our gliders we adopted last March, they are about to be 8 yrs. old and were on PP diet when we adopted them and switched them to the blended diet. We also give them about 11/2 T of fruit yogurt in the morning and each get 6 meal worms and share 2 T of Kiefer in the mid afternoon. I also noticed our gliders were getting very cracked fur about October, which just seemed to be getting worse. They have also been picky vegetable eater the last two months. They are favoring beans and fresh leafy vegetables and refusing to eat anything else. I blamed the cracked fur on two things. Their picky eating and the fact that the house has been dry since fall. I bought a vaporizer, warm heat, three weeks ago. I keep it next to the cage, run it all day and all night. This weekend, we noticed a dramatic change in their fur. It is much softer, fluffy tails and no cracks. We also "caught" them sitting on the side of the cage closest to the vaporizer, for minutes at a time, as though enjoying the mist. I also was interested in this thread because we had noticed a change in our glider. But, like Candy, I am wondering if they are having a difficult time with this winter, and lack of humidity in the air. Our houses are so well insulated now that they do not get an exchange of air from outside as the older homes tend to get. Just a few thoughts.. Non of our gliders are bred, so I can't comment on that.
Posted By: Legend

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 09:08 PM

I recently started feeding Blended about a month or so ago.

I haven't seen any negative impacts on any of my girls. Three of them were rescued January 6th. When they came to me, while having very full and fluffy coats with only very slight cracking, they were brown with malnutrition.

I brought them over to Blended right away, and they've immediately started looking better, now all very fluffy and gray, as their usual color should be.

I switched over my other glider with these three, due to the fact that she wasn't eating as well as she used to, she now cleans her plate whenever I give her any sort of fruit and vegetable. (Anyone who has seen my pervious thread would know that Daisy was a very very very picky eater.)
Posted By: oakley

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 10:09 PM

I'd like to mention that I have always fed more than 2 tsp. My breeding trio gets roughly 4 tablespoons a night and they practically clear their plates!
Posted By: snowbabygliders

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/07/11 11:00 PM

ok, we have central air and humidity... so that is not the issue we were having. The room is on auto temp control and humidity is set 24 hrs a day to keep humidity the same throughout the year. Just clarifying is all for my glider room. wink
Posted By: ssdreamsicles

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/08/11 01:08 AM

I have beed feeding my guys the blended diet for 5 months now. So far i can not say iv seen any neg impact on my gliders. I am not good about keeping up with weights but i have not noticed any weight loss by looking. My gliders are all still active. Most of my glider fur looks good. I do have a few with cracked fur by my house is very dry right now and im going to get a humidifier. I have 2 that came to me on a [censored] diet and they have improved greatly on the blended. As far as joeys, i only have 2 breeding pair. I have always had great joey weights. I have never lost a joey to diet. In my yrs of breeding i have only lost 3 joeys and they were fron 2 diff moms and I can say 100% were not diet related.

Now i do feed my guys more then 2 tsp each night. Each glider gets 1 tbsp each and breeding cages gets more. I have hardly any blended left if any each morn. I do about once a week give yogurt and i give mealies a few times a week. Yoggies and pine nuts a few times a week as well.

I will be getting weights on all my gliders and keeping track just to make sure. But right now i have to say the diet is not a prob for us. I will be watching them and this thred to see if there is any changes.
Posted By: jacknsally

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/08/11 01:11 AM

Originally Posted By: OtteMom


Have any of you run the heat and/or air conditioning in your homes more that in past years? I know my electric bills say that I have here. This may be one of MANY differences in the environment our gliders live in. The air in my home is much drier when either the heat or AC have to run overtime to keep the temperature comfortable for humans and gliders.






If the issue was environmental or weather/temperature- they wouldn't see improvement when switched back or to another diet.
Posted By: ssdreamsicles

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/08/11 01:12 AM

I want to add to my post that my gliders are vet check and i take fecal samples in every few months.
Posted By: SariYappa

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/08/11 06:14 PM

I am posting so that my facts can help everyone keep an open mind...

I switched to the blended diet a few months ago... I'm not a very organized person, so to have exact weight amounts, and exact dates is not my style wink

I have had cracked fur, less than fluffy tails, and a lot of weight loss.

Now lets look at this closer...

I gave my suggies what I call "junk food" for a few weeks when switching between BML & The Blended Diet. "junk food" means I gave fresh/frozen fruits & veggies, some yogurt, mealies and sometimes eggs, but with no "staple" diet. (I ran out of BML, and didn't have the new ingredients I needed yet, including the vitamins, bee pollen, and Wombaroo powder)

I noticed a change in fur and fluffiness, Destiny & Sugar gained a lot of weight in a small amount of time. Sugar has always been "fluffy", but Destiny was always a little girl...

Once I started on the Blended Diet all my babies lost weight, and this was a good thing in our house smile
Their coats are still cracked, and their tails are not as fluffy.

Facts:

*We have had snow storms, and abnormally cold weather, high heating bills and lots of running heat here in the south this winter.
*I did not have the correct vitamins for the blended diet until this last batch, they've only eaten from it two days now
*We have no changes in sleep and wake patterns. I still wake them up during the day when they want to sleep, and they still wake up to play at night wink
*Sometimes I slack on making the diet in time, and give a few nights of "junk food" (as explained above) before I get to make the new batch...
*Nibbles started picking his hair out on his eyebrows for the past couple of months. I understand this to normally be a stress thing... this is new. It seems to be stopping, and the hair is finally growing back in now. (yay!)
*I am still on the blended diet... I started with the version w/o egg, then I made the version w/o yogurt, and now I'm back on the version w/o egg. (So, I guess we now know how long I've been on the diet, the first batch was a double batch, then 2 single batches, up to a week in between, and I have 3 gliders... if you want to do the math)

What I've learned working in a customer service call center:

When you have a place to complain, then you generally hear from the unhappy customers. Although this is your life, day in and day out, you realize this is a very small percentage of the actual customer base (otherwise, there would be no customer base) wink. Things are actually doing well, you just don't get to hear the good and the happy.
Let's look at statistics. If there have been 5 people with the same outcome, on the same diet, then this is a very small percentage of the amount of people that actually use the blended diet. It's good to have an avenue for people to give facts, negative & positive. This thread will give those people the chance to share their experiences. If we get a lot more people with the same issues, using the same diet, and having the facts, then maybe we'll know if there is something to change here...

Until then, I don't see a reason to be paranoid. I also think that people should look closely at their own habbits, and choices when they switched diets. Did you have a similar experience as I? Because I believe that all my issues are either self inflicted, or weather related.

I do not intend on changing diets at this time. That's my choice. And I reserve the right to change my mind in the future wink
Posted By: Feather

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/08/11 11:49 PM

I would like to add that when little Jadzia has joeys in pouch or is nursing joeys I give her and Worf enough food for three gliders and if they clean it up I increase the amount.

Also, out house is 68 degrees and lower at night, not my doing. If I had my way it would be a lot warmer in here. BRRRR
Posted By: BindiAndScrubbie

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/09/11 07:50 PM

I'd like to say something. I can understand why Candy would feel a bit upset over this as no one would ever want to feel any sort of guilt over the potential possibility of causing harm to other's gliders. With that said...I will say that it is obvious that Candy has put a lot of time and effort into her diet. I for one, appreciate that as I am one of the owners that actually rely on others for diets. I am the first to admit that I do not have the time or patience or even knowledge to create my own diet. I may tweak a diet and observe it's effects but in general, I look to other diets as a staple. So for that, I thank Candy for her time and effort even though I use another diet. People like Candy give us choices and I do believe she is looking out for the good. With that said, let's assume that for breeding females, this diet isn't sufficiant in necessary nutrients. (that seems to be the possible case) HPW has a tweaked version for breeders. So perhaps this is a good opportunity to all collaborate and help Candy figure out what needs to be tweaked, perhaps protein, perhaps something else.
In my own opinion, as far as weather playing a role...I can see the cracked fur as being a result of that but not the thinning tails, loss of joeys, cannibalization, etc. Those all seem to have a more common denominator of more importance and I think we can all agree that weather wouldn't cause this. (at least I'm *pretty* sure)

So really, to figure this out we all know that 50 heads are better than 1.
I think this is a good opportunity to come together and try to fix this. Learning from this is a good thing since no one has the money or resources to perform a true diet study. This could be the best we can do. For now.

I am a non-breeder, but I can still observe and put myself in others' shoes.
Posted By: cinnamonstix

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/09/11 08:34 PM

I was on Blended with my gliders for 10 months approx. Rafiki grew from a joey into a sturdy bulky male. Rajah is petite but definitely adaquately sized. My leu Nemo lost weight and looked very thin, I started feeding extra every day cause I was scared and weighing him several times daily. It seemed to sustain him and prevent further weight loss. My gliders are pigs and WILL over eat if given extra nom noms. No one else had drastic weight loss, just minor among gliders. Fur has more of an orange tint to it that it did not have before on some of my greys. Howie has alway been colored a little "off" but not others. It gets really bad in pics. Rei has never overgroomed and I caught him overgroomed once on this diet. Nothing really ever struck me as too odd, besides Nemo's weight loss. My only breeding pair just had their first joey OOP recently and all of them are doing great. I was feeding extra blended diet to them nightly and offering yoggies as treats while I visited them. I have weighed the joey several times daily since he came OOP and he has been gaining wonderfully. We did however switch back to HPW within the last week due to the amount of issues others have experienced and my main concern with Nemo's weight change. We fed HPW for a long time, so it was not a hard choice to make the switch back, I would be devastated if anything happened to my gliders or my first joey. Some of my issues like the overgrooming may or may not have been from diet. I do not feed anything that would cause orange fur in excess. They get carrots in their veggie mix, but nothing else I can think of that would cause discoloration. Overgrooming is hard to pinpoint, but it was a very temp thing. Thinking about it, I guess my gliders may have been sleeping more, not positive, but possible. I have 13 gliders, of those 13...11 are non breeders and 2 are breeders. All were fed Blended Diet original version and breeding pair was given extra treats and Blended. I switched originally because I liked that it was less fat, etc. so when I noticed minor weight loss I was happy. When nemo seemed small, it concerned me greatly. Nemo does not have good lineage and I wonder if that could play a part in his disposition with the diet and why he showed more serious weight loss. As far as my gliders with no lineage, I do not have proof of any inbreeding, but with Nemo I am aware of his coefficent and poor genetics. I do not know what could be effected internally (hopefully nothing) but he does have an ear deformity as many of you are already aware. As for everyone else, he was result of an unknown poor pairing which was discovered and corrected when Nemo came OOP. He came to me and was neutered to ensure he would remain in a pet only loving home. Gliders are now back on HPW with half honey and half organic applesauce (to prevent too fulffy of gliders, mine are large on HPW). The breeding pair gets original HPW with double Wombaroo as they are breeding/nursing. We have not been back on long enough to determine changes, but everyone was happy to make the switch back. No complaints.
Posted By: WintersSong

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/09/11 11:54 PM

Someone suggested to me that I should post the link to the TSS discussion on the blended diet. I think it's a good idea, as not everyone visits both forums. Those who feed the Blended diet might want to follow both threads, to see if any insight is offered there that isn't offered here.

(http://thesweetspot.forumotion.net/t1157-blended-diet-concerns).
Posted By: ValkyrieMome

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/10/11 01:38 AM

Originally Posted By: OtteMom
Those of you who have concerns, what fruits and vegetables are you regularly using with the Blended Diet?

Are you offering a wide variety of different fruits and vegetables?

Are you using any of the "relish" or "smoothie" recipes that rely heavily on Bok Choi and Papaya?

I make my own veggie relish. I make it the exact same way every single week. It contains:
32 oz green beans
16 oz of carrots
16 oz collard greens
16 oz broccoli
28 oz papaya
8 oz corn
8 oz peas
6 oz of orange juice concentrate (sometimes with calcium, sometimes without)
~2 cups of fresh sprouts.

To this I add one or two seasonal fruits/veggies each night. This week it was pears and sections of clementine.


Originally Posted By: OtteMom
What types of treats do you offer, and how much.

Gliders get 3-6 mealworms most nights. I feed yoggies very sparingly. That's about it.


Originally Posted By: OtteMom
How many of you switched to the Blended Diet because you were having difficulty getting your gliders to eat fruits and vegetables? What changes did you see in that behavior when you changed to the Blended Diet.

This is not why I changed. My gliders have eaten their veggies and fruit well for some time. I changed because I was concerned about calcium, and I like the Blended Diet. It makes sense to me, and it seems like a very practical, balanced diet.

Originally Posted By: OtteMom
Are those of you seeing a problem using the Calcium Carbonate or have you chosen to use Calcium Citrate?

I use the NOW Brand Calicium Carbonate.

I am not sure the diet needs any changes. If it is not the right diet for your gliders, by all means choose another diet.

Originally Posted By: OtteMom
Have you discussed the Blended Diet with your Vet and showed your vet the comparison chart for nutrients in the Blended Diet, BML and HPW? What were your vet's comments? Did your vet see any part of the diet that should be of concern? Please share the comments from your vet with me.

Yes. Like me, my vet thought it looked like an excellent diet - balanced and nutritious and well-planned.

It has been suggested that only breeding gliders are seeing problems. There have been several posts by people who do not breed, or who have more non-breeders than breeders. I have more non-breeders than breeders.My breeding gliders get an extra serving of the Blended Diet each night - so the pair would get 6 teaspoons, rather than 4. Also, I tend to over-measure my teaspoons. So, all my gliders end up getting a bit more. Most nights they eat all the Blended, some nights not. I over-feed them veggie/fruits, also - so there is always some amount left in all cages. This is deliberate.

Another breeder whom I have spoken with is not on Glider Central and has also switched back to Modified HPW. She reported the same kinds of problems.

She also lives in Wisconsin. So - maybe it is just those of us up here? (Haleigh reported problems, I can't remember where she lives, sorry.) I keep both a space heater and a humidifier in my glider room. The temperature stays in the low 70s in winter.

Good luck with all of this. Obviously coming up with this diet was a huge labor of love, and this discussion is painful to Candy. I hope that we can all continue to discuss it objectively. There was nothing personal intended on my part. The lack of energy is concerning, and I need to find out what is causing it.
Posted By: sunjana1

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/10/11 02:14 AM

As kind of just a naive observer here and newbie to gliders and all the intricacies of diets I wanted to just bring up something else - measurements.

I have been feeding my boys the same version of the Blended that Meghan does, as they were her babies and it was important to me to continue that diet. As she stated previously she is offering a *tablespoon* (or more) per glider - so that is what I have been giving.

I did the math and in my ice cube trays, 1 tablespoon = 3/4 ice cube - so I give 1.5 ice cubes per night (I have 2 gliders). They eat it ALL, every night, to the point where I am considering offering them more (pending they do a little better with their veggies, which they are starting to).

2 teaspoons is, for me, 1/2 an ice cube. So I guess my comment is, I think it's important to know how the Blended is being measured out. Is a 1 tsp. measuring spoon used or some other type of spoon? Are ice cube trays used? The ounces (and therefore teaspoons) that can be held in a cube can depend on the tray used.

My question is, has anyone simply considered just feeding more of the Blended if their gliders are eating all of it? Again, I'm just the inexperienced outsider here, probably butting in where I don't belong, but it seems as though people are only concerned with the content of the diet, and may want to instead or at least ALSO consider the amount fed.
Posted By: Glide_Bye_Lily

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/10/11 02:24 AM

The amt fed may be an answer to problems like not having enough milk and small joeys. But it does not explain coat condition such as thinning tails and discolored and greasiness. This to me seems like an aspect of some sort of nutrition they are not getting or not absorbing properly. I'm not a glider nutrition expert by any means, but from what I've read about diets where gliders are not getting what they need, coat condition seems to be the most common indicator of something lacking.
Posted By: SariYappa

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/10/11 02:56 AM

Just to comment on the way we are going here about amounts...
I was discussing this with somebody yesterday, that it seems the people that are not having problems with breeding, and the diet, seem to be adding or even doubling the doses of the blended diet offered?
and...
Yes, coat has a lot to do with many things, and sometimes things lacking... but wouldn't all, or most gliders on the diet have a problem with the coat? (if this were an issue).
From what I'm reading, there are only a select few, and mostly breeders.
Posted By: Glide_Bye_Lily

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/10/11 03:00 AM

Yes, mostly breeders so far, around the north. But our gliders here that look the worst coat-wise are not currently breeding. They haven't had a joey since last May/June. Which is around the time we first switched to Blended.

ETA: I'm not talking about just 'cracked' coats either. It's dry here and at this time of year a little cracking is normal.
Posted By: ValkyrieMome

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/10/11 05:03 PM

Originally Posted By: ValkyrieMome
I noticed an extreme decrease in activity and poor coat conditions. My gliders' started looking scrawny to me. But it is the decreased activity that caused me to switch back. I have 20 gliders, 4 of whom are currently breeding, but last month had 4 breeding pairs.


Originally Posted By: ValkyrieMome
Again, the most concerning sign for me was the lack of activity.
Posted By: xoerikae

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/10/11 05:07 PM

*shrug* i havent noticed anything other than my boys are still a bit underweight, sigh. but i also switched to hpw just because our new gliders outweighed the old ones, and they were all on hpw. less ingredients, every eats it all up... win/win. and maybe appa and momo [and yuki] will gain a little weight.
Posted By: sunjana1

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/10/11 05:28 PM

What about how the diet is stored? I read elsewhere that in large batches stored in deep containers certain nutrients may settle to the bottom before it is completely frozen in which case there might be an overall imbalance of nutrients? Just another question and potential factor I guess?
Posted By: CandyOtte

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/10/11 06:03 PM

sunjana, folks have observed uneven freezing of HPW which I feel may be do to it forming layers as it settles while freezing. I do not think anyone has said anything about the Blended Diet not freezing all the way through consistently.
Posted By: DCMuffin

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/10/11 06:16 PM

I've never had trouble with the consistency of the Blended as it's frozen. HPW did separate...never the Blended.
Posted By: snowbabygliders

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/10/11 06:45 PM

it depends on container size. I froze mine in a flat big 1inch deep container (never filled to brim at all), now if you do the same for HPW you'd likely have the same results. Anything blended no matter what you use ingredients-wise that we use for diets will have some of the nutrients "separate" its gravity for one and another would be on a chemistry thought process. It is a homogeneous mixture however technically it may look the same throughout, you can technically pick apart the ingredients in a lab setting so the smaller the depth of space for gravity to pull on and faster for it to feeze, the less likely to notice any separation to the visible eye tho I do however know unless you stopped molecular action which happens at "absolute zero" on a Kelvin Temperature scale, it does separate. You take the same size of squares and cut all the way to bottom your more likely to have an even distribution as much as possible... the larger the depth the more noticeable such as an ice cream pail. It will take longer to freeze and have more time for gravity to pull and cause to settle on different materials within the mixture. Which is why i used 1 inch containers at most as the depth tho i used half of that depth. Maybe something to think about for all on both diets.

Sorry for getting too techy there. it is impossible to blend a mixture and freeze it without using chemicals or having an absolute Kelvin Temperature, without it settling at some point and nutrients not being distributed throughout exactly evenly. Mass and weight all are factors including temperature (environment)
Posted By: sunjana1

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/10/11 07:17 PM

Kristy - this is exactly what I was thinking, but could not explain technically. Your explanation was fantastic. Thank you.
Posted By: ValkyrieMome

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/10/11 07:19 PM

When I make either the Blended or Modified HPW, I freeze them in icecube trays.

I have measured all my ice cube trays, so I know where the serving size is.

If it separates, they are still getting all the layers in each serving.
Posted By: snowbabygliders

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/10/11 10:07 PM

your welcome wink
and i put it even simpler than i could have lol but i didn't want to rattle brains too much or make anyone's squishy tee hee hee tounge Chemistry makes my brain squish enough as it is roflmao


Alden that's the way to go. everything is even then as much as it can be smile HPW is softer so it'd be harder as written but it can be done. otherwise you get a 1 inch deep large plastic container and evenly cut into serving sized squares. pull up and out with a fork or butter knife wink
Posted By: Glide_Bye_Lily

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/10/11 11:11 PM

Our's are pre-measured ice-cube trays.
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/10/11 11:24 PM

I've fed blended since November with no problems. My pair had a joey IP at the time.

All of my coats look good (MUCH better than when I first got them, but they weren't on any kind of a diet at all, and fed a lot of nasties), and tails look good (except for Samson, but his was always that way). None of them feel greasy, just nice and soft.

I measure out and freeze in ice cube trays. I try to stick as close to accurate measurements as possible.

I over feed a little on the fruits/veggies, so I tend to have a bit of the blended left over in the mornings. I feed frozen mixed veggies (which I know isn't the best, but my kids are VERY picky about their veggies, and wont eat the fresh stuff!), and also frozen fruits that I rotate through. Sometimes I'll buy a mixed package of fruit and pick out specific ones for dinner that night, or I'll buy individual packages.

I use the calcium carbonate.

I wonder if maybe baby food types have something to do with it too?

I do the Gerber mixed cereal, and Beechnut baby foods (My Walmart doesn't stock the turkey and chicken Gerber, or if they do I can't find it). I also buy the Gerber fruit/yogurt drink, though lately I've had to use Beechnut because my store here had been out of the Gerber (someone forgot to order it. Ugh).
Posted By: Berg

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/11/11 03:26 AM

I think SariYappa made some good observations both about environment and about the relative percentage of people having problems. I'd like to throw out a couple of other things for consideration.

The Blended Diet has ingredients in common with other diets, and no ingredients (to my knowledge) that are bad for gliders. From all the information Candy has provided the diet seems nutritionally sound.

A number of people are observing symptoms and assuming that these symptoms are due to the diet. However, it's possible there may be other things going on that may be related to diet, but not as a result of the diet. For example, on a visit to our vet the other day she suggested we might consider trying a UVB light near the cage at this time of year. UVB promotes the metabolism of calcium and vitamin D. During this long and cold winter, I'm guessing that many of our gliders are not seeing much in the way of indirect sunlight.

Weather does have an effect on the behavior of animals, even indirectly. Most of the symptoms from what I've read here have appeared in the last month or two during one of the coldest and snowiest winters in the eastern U.S. since the late 70s.

Switching diets and seeing changes in your gliders (one way or there other) does not in and of itself prove cause and effect. Just from what I have read in this thread there are a lot of variables in the different instances that are not controlled.

All gliders aren't the same (you only need two gliders to learn that)! There obviously have their likes and dislikes, different metabolisms, and activity levels. We should not assume any diet is one size fits all. Candy stated it herself "If it is not the right diet for your gliders, by all means choose another diet."
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/11/11 04:50 AM

One thing that sticks out to me is the yogurt in Blended. From what I understand of what I've read about glider diets, the yogurt being added is a very US thing, and not an Aussie thing. I do know there are people with gliders that are completely lactose intolerant. So, I am wondering if maybe there is a sliding scale for gliders in that most won't react at all, some only a little, and some not tolerate the yogurt at all, and reaction being proportionate to the amount of yogurt consumed. That might also explain why certain variations are thought to be the culprit more than others???? I agree with you Berg, there are so many variables here, it is hard to tell what is one thing or the other contributing or not contributing. I wish diets were easier!
Posted By: cinnamonstix

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/11/11 11:01 PM

I fed standard version, it takes yogurt, my gliders are very orange and I am unhappy with how they look. It looks terrible in photos and makes me feel like a bad mom. As stated before I have 11 non breeders and 2 breeding gliders. My breeders look the best of all my gliders ATM, they also were getting LOTS of extra treats (mainly yoggies). My largest glider has gotten obese, he has never been this chunky before, not sure why, and my leu is down to 115g, he used to be semi fluffy. Can't wait to see an improvement being back on HPW. I offer yogurt to gliders occasionally with HPW. Just once in a while and it has never posed any issues over the past few years.
Posted By: ssdreamsicles

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/12/11 06:03 AM

I also put my blended in ice cube trays. I pre measured first so i know how much goes in.

One thing im not sure has been asked and sorry if it has is how do you measure your wambaroo powder. Do you do 3 loose tablespoons or do you do 3 packed tablespoons? I pack mine.
Posted By: nancy1202

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/13/11 03:02 AM

I switched from BML to Blended on 9-5-10. Some of my gliders are having issues, but others are thriving. I only have two breeding pair. One cannibalized last October and the second joey died two days later. The other mama had twins OOP 10-23-10. She only had enough milk for one joey, and I hand-fed the other. Some coats are looking crackly, and I recently bought a humidifier to see if it is due to dry winter heat. I have not yet noticed a difference. Out of 18 adult gliders, 7 have gained more than 10 grams, 4 have lost more than 10 grams and the rest are about at the same weights as before the diet switch. So, yeah, I guess I am having some issues.

My two breeding pair went to vet in October for checkups and fecals, which came back negative.

The reason I switched in the first place was because my gliders weren't eating their BML. If figured the diet wasn't doing any good if they weren't eating it, but realize now that may have been seasonal or a normal appetite fluctuation. Sometimes we humans eat more, sometimes less. All bowls were cleaned with the Blended. I figured that was a good thing. My breeding pairs got an extra helping of Blended, and more than 2T of veggies each night. 5 months later, bowls are STILL consistently cleaned every night. To be honest, that in itself is now causing me to be concerned. Are they getting the nutrients they need? Are they not satisfied with what I am feeding?

I have not noticed any changes in activity levels EXCEPT all gliders have been awake and playing about an hour earlier ever since the time change last fall. That may change as the days get longer and it gets dark later. None of my gliders used to wake up until 10PM.

I use Now brand calcium citrate to make the Blended. I feed a few mealies each morning, and very few other treats. Yogies are mostly for nail trimming every 2 or 3 weeks. I put euc branches/leaves in the cages and occasionally sugar cane... sure makes a mess, but they love it!

My breeding pairs and my smaller gliders are now on a different diet. I had not attributed these issues to diet prior to reading this thread. For that reason, I didn't even consider getting in touch with Candy. I have no idea how it can be determined how or if changes should be made to the diet. There are so many variables regarding which version is being used, what specific fruits/veggies are being fed, or even climate variations. The diet does use ingredients that have been used with other diets, but not in this particular combination.
Posted By: Berg

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/13/11 05:39 AM

Originally Posted By: nancy1202
I switched from BML to Blended on 9-5-10. Some of my gliders are having issues, but others are thriving. I only have two breeding pair. One cannibalized last October and the second joey died two days later. The other mama had twins OOP 10-23-10. She only had enough milk for one joey, and I hand-fed the other. Some coats are looking crackly, and I recently bought a humidifier to see if it is due to dry winter heat. I have not yet noticed a difference. Out of 18 adult gliders, 7 have gained more than 10 grams, 4 have lost more than 10 grams and the rest are about at the same weights as before the diet switch. So, yeah, I guess I am having some issues.

My two breeding pair went to vet in October for checkups and fecals, which came back negative.


I'm not minimizing what you have experienced, but I read about these types of breeding issues every week on GC. The fact that they occurred after you changed diets could be just coincidence. Perhaps weight gains and losses can be attributed to some of the gliders really liking this diet and others not liking it.


Quote:
My breeding pairs and my smaller gliders are now on a different diet. I had not attributed these issues to diet prior to reading this thread. For that reason, I didn't even consider getting in touch with Candy. I have no idea how it can be determined how or if changes should be made to the diet. There are so many variables regarding which version is being used, what specific fruits/veggies are being fed, or even climate variations. The diet does use ingredients that have been used with other diets, but not in this particular combination.


That's again assuming the diet is the issue and/or the only issue. At best, there is circumstantial evidence that's it is. The only way I would be convinced there there might be a general problem is if results were reproducible, i.e someone who had problems, switched to a diet other than the Blended and problems cleared, and then switched back to Blended to see if problems reappeared, with all other things the same.
Posted By: nancy1202

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/13/11 06:35 AM

Originally Posted By: Berg
The fact that they occurred after you changed diets could be just coincidence. Perhaps weight gains and losses can be attributed to some of the gliders really liking this diet and others not liking it.
Actually I disagree. Bowls are cleaned so obviously they like it. Metabolism and body type/how the food is processed probably has more to do with the weights and losses. Coincidence that mostly breeders are having issues? Possibly... but not worth the risk to my gliders for me to minimize or ignore.

Originally Posted By: Berg
That's again assuming the diet is the issue and/or the only issue. At best, there is circumstantial evidence that's it is. The only way I would be convinced there there might be a general problem is if results were reproducible, i.e someone who had problems, switched to a diet other than the Blended and problems cleared, and then switched back to Blended to see if problems reappeared, with all other things the same.
Well, that is probably not going to happen. tounge I have no desire to convince you or anyone else of anything. It is simply my intention, as is the purpose of this thread, to share my concerns and experiences since switching to the Blended diet. I do not have the scientific background or knowledge to draw any conclusions. I am observing changes in my gliders, and trying to identify possible contributing factors. You too are welcome to share your experiences. If you are not having any issues, then by all means keep doing what you are doing! thumb
Posted By: cinnamonstix

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/13/11 03:19 PM

Now that I have had issues and switched back to HPW, I would not switch back to blended. My gliders are precious as are their lives, I personally would not want to experiment with this and risk hurting them by switching back to a diet that clearly had not worked for them. Honelsty, I am not sure anyone ever will. It has to be something, no one can pinpoint what...it works for some and not for others. It did not work for me and again, I have 5 cages, one cage is a breeding pair, the other four cages are non breeders. That is 11 non breeding gliders that have been effected by this alone in my home.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/13/11 04:46 PM

We have been on the Blended diet for a while and have noticed fur staining, thining of tails and one of my gliders likes the diet so well he put on weight-to much. I thought maybe the staining was from dad marking so much but now am thinking maybe its all diet related. I am thinking about switching back to the HPW to see if anything changes.

I feed the Blended diet #1 with fresh fruit & veggies.

Edited to add: My gliders did seem to love this diet, so I wonder with some tweaking if things would get better? confused dunno
Posted By: Berg

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/13/11 05:12 PM

Originally Posted By: cinnamonstix
Now that I have had issues and switched back to HPW, I would not switch back to blended. My gliders are precious as are their lives, I personally would not want to experiment with this and risk hurting them by switching back to a diet that clearly had not worked for them. Honelsty, I am not sure anyone ever will. It has to be something, no one can pinpoint what...it works for some and not for others. It did not work for me and again, I have 5 cages, one cage is a breeding pair, the other four cages are non breeders. That is 11 non breeding gliders that have been effected by this alone in my home.


I wouldn't expect most that were having a problem to switch back just to test it, especially if you are breeding. However, it's the process that needs to happen if this is to be factually resolved one way or the other.

Most everyone appears to be operating on the assumption that it is the diet. Again, maybe, maybe not. The danger in that assumption is that then one tends to stop looking for other things that may actually be the problem.

I think the power of suggestion is also operating here. One person posted their concerns (and concerns of others she had talked to) about the diet. That is valid. However, there are others that read this thread and think "Hmmm, I am seeing this symptom and feeding the Blended Diet, so it must be the diet."

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/13/11 05:23 PM

I get what you are saying with power of suggestion but when you have more than a couple breeders with more than one symptom and all the same SYMPTOMS than clearly those are not power of suggestion.

I have noticed more than one symptom wrong with my gliders and have been trying to figure out what the problem is, so when I see other people on here with the same issues as mine than I can make that conection, without the power of suggestion.

I also wonder out of all of us with these issues where are your gliders from?

I have herd that there is a couple lines of gliders out there that are allergic to yogert. So I wonder if that could be the problem in itself?????
Posted By: Bourbon

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/13/11 05:44 PM

Steve, I understand what you mean about the coincidences..

with so many variations, and all the variables involved with the blended diet options.. there is literally NO WAY to pinpoint an issue if it truly is a diet issue, this was one of the things we all discussed years ago with the BML, to keep it simple, to be restrictive, the back to bml back to basics is what was used and tested. if the diet showed that the iron levels were too high, then we were limited as to what it was we needed to change, the same with the animal, and plant proteins, vit A, K and especially the selinium.

taking 2 diet plans, combining them, adding the options of an unbelievable number of choices with the fruits and veggies.. having multiple variations, makes the blended diet, not much different than not having a diet plan at all. I am not bashing the blended diet. and I haven't said anything till now. but these are the issues that candy needs to address.

for the sake of argument here.. but Candy, if it is a diet issue that is not providing what the breeders need, where will you start, in order to find out what the problems are, and what needs to be changed..

peggy and I discussed years ago combining the bml with the hpw, I have also been asked by others what I would have done different.. well the hpw wasn't readily available then, but yes I would have used it as well as acacia gum, but in order to do that now, I would have to totally reformulate the BML to accommodate. Peggy and I agreed then, that they were going to be two different plans.

I for one appreciate the work involved in creating a diet, I also know what it is like to be on the diet firing line, and worst of all I know what it is like to have people accuse the diet if it is something else.

years ago, the bml came under fire because a bunch of gliders got sick, but they were displaying calcium def. HLP type symptoms, after much blood testing this was confirmed to be true.. however due to the ratios in the bml, we knew it had to be something else, so a vet did further testing , only to find out it was bacterial issues, that was leeching the calcium.. the various gliders were treated for the bacterial issues and the issues stopped. it opened the door for more medical information, and also cleared the BML as well. But I was in there with these owners trying to find out what was causing this. This was also YEARS of the BML being used and not just a few months.

this thread wasn't the first you had heard about this, someone else stated that they too had contacted you before, you offered suggestions or changes..


I also agree with Nancy that just because they like the taste, or eat all their food each night, doesn't mean it is good for them or adequately is supplying what they need.

With the BML, IF a glider was to clean their bowl each night, every night, and they were still being fed up to 4 times what is recommended, I would be concerned.

there is no consistency in the blended diet to say it isn't the diet, these are the same type of symptoms we see in rescue with gliders that are not on a staple diet. which very well may easily explain why these same issues have a history even before the blended diet.

there is truly too much modifying creating of diets, claiming they are feeding a specific diet, that it is near impossible to say it is the staple diets anymore.

Good luck and truly my best wishes, that you can figure this out.
Posted By: Berg

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/13/11 05:47 PM

Originally Posted By: nancy1202
Originally Posted By: Berg
The fact that they occurred after you changed diets could be just coincidence. Perhaps weight gains and losses can be attributed to some of the gliders really liking this diet and others not liking it.
Actually I disagree. Bowls are cleaned so obviously they like it. Metabolism and body type/how the food is processed probably has more to do with the weights and losses. Coincidence that mostly breeders are having issues? Possibly... but not worth the risk to my gliders for me to minimize or ignore.


I'm curious about how you (and others) monitor food consumption. We have four gliders in one cage, and put in two kitchens with a dish of blended diet and and dish or fruit or veggies in each. They usually eat everything we put in for them, but we really don't know who is eating what or how much. The assumption is (and probably incorrect) that they are all getting the same eating what they want. Short of segregating them individually or videotaping, the only monitoring we an do is weighing them each week.

Originally Posted By: Berg
That's again assuming the diet is the issue and/or the only issue. At best, there is circumstantial evidence that's it is. The only way I would be convinced there there might be a general problem is if results were reproducible, i.e someone who had problems, switched to a diet other than the Blended and problems cleared, and then switched back to Blended to see if problems reappeared, with all other things the same.
Well, that is probably not going to happen. tounge I have no desire to convince you or anyone else of anything. It is simply my intention, as is the purpose of this thread, to share my concerns and experiences since switching to the Blended diet. I do not have the scientific background or knowledge to draw any conclusions. I am observing changes in my gliders, and trying to identify possible contributing factors. You too are welcome to share your experiences. If you are not having any issues, then by all means keep doing what you are doing! thumb [/quote]

As I mentioned in an earlier post in this thread, we have been feeding this diet to our gliders for 18 and 12 months with no issues we are aware of. Of course we are all going to do what's best for our gliders, and I don't expect you or anyone else to prove anything to me. It's my intention in this thread to suggest everyone be careful jumping to conclusions. That would apply whether we were talking about diet or anything else.
Posted By: CandyOtte

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/13/11 05:58 PM

So here is my problem.

Determining what if anything needs to be changed in the Blended Diet.

Even if I make changes to the recipe, I have now lost the trust of the community - partially because this was brought up on 3 different glider forums, and had apparently been discussed among several folks before that, but no one brought up the problem or discussed it with me prior to posting on the forums.

So, once I have gathered more information, perhaps looking at other nutrients in all of the glider diets and making further comparisons between all of them, I may make a change or adjustment to the Blended Diet.

However, I doubt if any of those who feel the diet has created health issues in their gliders would ever be willing to try a revised recipe. There in lies the problem. There would be no comparison under equal circumstances between the original Blended Diet recipe and any modifications I may make in the future.

All glider diets depend on the test of time, since we have not recommended daily requirements for gliders to work with.

I will evaluate the Blended Diet, but at the present time I am in the process of selling my home in order to move to a smaller one that better suits my needs now. ALL of my research documents, notes and printed information had already been packed in a box for the eventual move before this subject was started on the forums. I cannot begin to gather more data until I am able to pull these files out and that will not happen until after I move.

By all means change diets if you feel it is necessary. My gliders will be continuing on the Blended Diet (I use #4, chicken only) and I will have blood tests done and possibly xrays when I have Hugo neutered in a month or so (he is staying with his mom & dad)

Please feel free to send me your individual observations and concerns by email - LuvMyGliderKids@aol.com so I can continue to collect information on the versions each of you is using and the fruits and vegetables fed over a week's time. This information will help me determine if there are other vitamin issues that need to be considered - I will look at the vitamin and mineral content of the fruits and vegetables with the version you are using.

The more data you share, not just symptoms, the more we can learn from this.
Posted By: Bourbon

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/13/11 05:59 PM

I have 18 soon to be 22 gliders, and each one has their own food bowl, yes gliders do pick and choose which one is theirs, each bowl is hidden from the others. I do have 6 six gliders in one cage and yes 6 food bowls. I also put in the recommended amount plus a LITTLE more to be sure they eat enough, my joeys eat more mix as does my breeders but not even 2 times the amount, let alone 4 times the amount. There should be enough food that there is still some left in the morning,I also feed my fruits veggies and BML all in one bowl (per glider) I am curious as to how much blended would have to be fed, in order to have some left in the morn..

as for 3 boards and you feeling attacked, well as I stated I too have been there.. but those 3 boards also give you 3 sets of voices, symptoms, ideas.. utilize them.. did I feel attacked , absolutely, it is near impossible not to, as this is your "baby" attack my baby, you attack me.. but putting this on the back burner is not the way to regain trust, some you may never regain.. but who really cares.. is this about peoples trust and support, or is it about the gliders, their health, their diet?

Quote:

The more data you share, not just symptoms, the more we can learn from this.


it is the symptoms you need to work with, data can be misdiagnosed, if the symptoms are not totally explored.

feel free to call me candy
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/13/11 06:44 PM

Originally Posted By: OtteMom


Even if I make changes to the recipe, I have now lost the trust of the community - partially because this was brought up on 3 different glider forums, and had apparently been discussed among several folks before that, but no one brought up the problem or discussed it with me prior to posting on the forums.



Candy, I don't use your diet, but I suggest it to a lot of people.

I just wanted to say that I don't think you have lost the trust of the community. Though I know the feeling, I don't want you to feel that way. You are extremely glider knowledgeable, especially in regards to diet.

IF this has something to do with your diet, take it as a slight bump in the road and a learning experience.

You didn't know any of this until recently. You can't change what you don't know. And, honestly, the way you've handled this, and the fact that you're looking at what may need changing shows a lot about your character. hug2
Posted By: vhenke11

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/13/11 06:54 PM

She has help me so I thank candy ^_^
Posted By: cinnamonstix

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/13/11 09:53 PM

Blended does taste good, my kitty would get his face in there trying to get to it any time it was within his grasps. Now we are back on HPW and Skyes (kitty) don't want anything to do with it. Pretty funny. It is a good diet, we liked it for the most part, it was just the issues we seen after a long time of using. I liked the variety of ingredients and the ease of feeding but in the end it just did not work out. It happens. I don't know how a diet would be 100% right the first try, sometimes need reworking. Just in the news a few days ago they were debating if dairy is as good a source of calcium as we think. US is like the only country using dairy as it's primary source and US also has the highest osteoporosis rate where as other countires use fruits and veggies and such to get their calcium. Also magnesium is needed to absorb calcium, are we feeding enough magnesium? We could be leaving out some key vitamin or mineral or simply not feeding enough of it, so hard to say. So like I said, things happen and we don't always get it RIGHT the first time. How many years has the US used dairy as it has, and just now they are discovering.

Rest assured Candy, I think you did an awesome job with the diet and whatever it is that is off, well I know you did not do it intentionally, none of would. I appreciate all the hard work you put in, even if it did not work out for us here and I respect as much as you tried to make it the best you could. I wish you all the luck in getting to the bottom of whatever it is that is creating issues for some of us and our suggies.
Posted By: carolinasuggies

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/13/11 10:03 PM

Originally Posted By: cinnamonstix
Blended does taste good, my kitty would get his face in there trying to get to it any time it was within his grasps. Now we are back on HPW and Skyes (kitty) don't want anything to do with it. Pretty funny. It is a good diet, we liked it for the most part, it was just the issues we seen after a long time of using. I liked the variety of ingredients and the ease of feeding but in the end it just did not work out. It happens. I don't know how a diet would be 100% right the first try, sometimes need reworking. Just in the news a few days ago they were debating if dairy is as good a source of calcium as we think. US is like the only country using dairy as it's primary source and US also has the highest osteoporosis rate where as other countires use fruits and veggies and such to get their calcium. Also magnesium is needed to absorb calcium, are we feeding enough magnesium? We could be leaving out some key vitamin or mineral or simply not feeding enough of it, so hard to say. So like I said, things happen and we don't always get it RIGHT the first time. How many years has the US used dairy as it has, and just now they are discovering.

Rest assured Candy, I think you did an awesome job with the diet and whatever it is that is off, well I know you did not do it intentionally, none of would. I appreciate all the hard work you put in, even if it did not work out for us here and I respect as much as you tried to make it the best you could. I wish you all the luck in getting to the bottom of whatever it is that is creating issues for some of us and our suggies.




clap agree thumb
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/14/11 04:09 AM

I would also like to add that I do think this diet is good and for any of us that have had any issues, I think it may just need some tweaking to solve everything.

I was only thinking about switching back to HPW long enough until some tweaking could be done. I appreciate all the hard work and effort Candy has put into this diet and hope that she will contuine to do so. I do believe as long as you move forward in solving these issues you will always have the trust of the community. smile
Posted By: glidermom71

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/14/11 05:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Megs
Originally Posted By: OtteMom


Even if I make changes to the recipe, I have now lost the trust of the community - partially because this was brought up on 3 different glider forums, and had apparently been discussed among several folks before that, but no one brought up the problem or discussed it with me prior to posting on the forums.



Candy, I don't use your diet, but I suggest it to a lot of people.

I just wanted to say that I don't think you have lost the trust of the community. Though I know the feeling, I don't want you to feel that way. You are extremely glider knowledgeable, especially in regards to diet.

IF this has something to do with your diet, take it as a slight bump in the road and a learning experience.

You didn't know any of this until recently. You can't change what you don't know. And, honestly, the way you've handled this, and the fact that you're looking at what may need changing shows a lot about your character. hug2


I currently use the blended diet and have suggested the diet to others.
I also agree with what Megs said.
hug2 to Candy
Posted By: ValkyrieMome

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/14/11 05:28 AM

Candy -

I switched to Blended Diet because I liked the reasoning and logic and nutritional science behind it. It "makes sense" to me. It still does. Just, apparently not to my gliders.

I have absolutely NOT lost faith in you. I still refer people to you and will continue to do so. I am absolutely willing to continue to work with you as you tweak this diet. I use your Diet Calculator all the time!

I sincerely apologize for not discussing it with you. In my mind, it never really got to that point. I was just kicking ideas around with the people I speak with regularly. I hadn't even realized it was "bigger" than that until I saw this thread. Truthfully - because I had several double batches of the dry ingredients already mixed up in my freezer - I've been doing a very gradual switch, and haven't even completed it yet. I was "concerned" about my gliders' lack of activity, but not so much that I felt it was life-threatening, or warranted a emergency diet switch. I'm comfortable enough with Blended to continue to use up what I have while also mixing it with HPW.

I don't know what's being said on other forums to make you think people have lost confidence in you. But, from my perspective, that isn't the case.

I think were I in your position, I'd absolutely feel as you do now. However, I also wish you'd not take this all so much to heart, and work with those who will work with you to make any necessary tweaks. Hugs, Candy. This isn't at all a personal attack on you. Or your science. Or your logic.
Posted By: JillMarie

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/14/11 07:53 AM

Candy, I also want to add in here that I dont think the community would lose any faith or trust in you. At least they shouldnt anyway! So if you realize there is a way to improve on your diet and make changes, that would (or should) only make people trust you more, as you were willing to put feelings aside and make the changes for the "good of the glider"

But I do understand how you feel hug2 This is one reason why I never wanted to tell anyone how I fed my gliders. But I honestly had so many people ask, so I put it out there. I have changed "my" diet numerous times. And sometimes went back to a former recipe (like I am now smile )because of something I see in the gliders. Like Bourbon, I am getting back to "my" basics. Glider diets in the wild arent that complicated with alot of various types of things. Maybe we do make it more complicated than it needs to be.

Like I said to you previously, when you are ready, I would LOVE to "brainstorm" with you on these things.

As for whether ot not the diet is or is not good? People do need to understand that not every glider will thrive on a specific diet. One may do well on HPW and not BML and the reverse is true.

Any diet that uses cut up fruit rather than smoothies is also going to have some variables. Arwen doesnt like a particular type of papaya, if that is the type I am serving this week, all week long she will go without that, but the other gliders munch it up. So that week, she is losing out. What if a person doesnt notice this and it goes on. The person may not realize that one glider in the cage gets ALL the good fruit and the other eats all the corn. I guess this is one reason why people do use smoothies. I personally dont like to though.

Candy, you are wonderful for taking the time to create this diet. It is a good thing people have mentioned some effects of being on it. Now we can just make it better! But if people decide to use or not use it doesnt really affect you, you gain or lose nothing. I know you care about the gliders. As do I. But honestly, and people forget this I think, it REALLY is up to each owner to do their research and take responsibility for their own actions regarding sugar gliders. I love that people can come here for help. But when something goes wrong, I dont like the finger pointing. No one is twisting anyone's arm on here to feed this or do that.

So keep it up girly! Collect that data and when you are settled, give me a buzz!
Posted By: Feather

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/14/11 09:32 AM

Originally Posted By: Bourbon
With the BML, IF a glider was to clean their bowl each night, every night, and they were still being fed up to 4 times what is recommended, I would be concerned.


Bourbon I am only feeding an extra portion of food to my gliders with joeys. Jadzia and Worf have twin joeys currently so I give them an extra portion of Blended Diet, fruits and vegetables.

My gliders are having no problems with this diet, there are always some of the staple, fruits and vegetables left in the morning, but no where near the amount they were leaving before. They just didn't eat well on BML or HPW, which was my primary reason for trying the Blended diet.

Posted By: cinnamonstix

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/17/11 05:37 AM

Just updating that coats are starting to smooth out and look less crackly. Fur is softer, still stained obviously, but improvements have started. Nemo has gained 5g back since we started back on HPW. A couple of gliders tails are starting to fluff out a bit, we still have a ways to go until we are back to normal. Icarus still weighs 185, hopefully he and a couple of my girls that got fat in the pouch will trim down a little bit with the change back. More updates to come.
Posted By: carolinasuggies

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 02/24/11 12:34 AM

I have still seen no negative effects from the blended with my glider's!
Posted By: nancy1202

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 03/03/11 01:59 AM

Candy, I know you said you weren't able to devote any attention to this because of your pending move last month. Many of us still feed Blended and will be watching and waiting for any new developments. I do have the same concerns that you brought up in the "new HPW powder" thread:
Originally Posted By: OtteMom
In the future, if health issues are observed in someone's gliders and they are asked "what diet do you feed?" and they reply "HPW" We will need to play 20 questions on which HPW variety they are really feeding. HPW Original Recipe, HPW Original with added green juice, HPW Original with applesauce in place of part of the honey, HPW Original recipe with various amounts of green juice substituting for x amount of honey or water, HPW PLUS - with or without green juice, HPW COMPLETE - with or without green juice, Then there are all those personal "Modified HPW" recipes posted on individual breeder's web pages.
There are several versions of the Blended diet and an unlimited combination of fruits/veggies/treats, etc. This will be a daunting task.

I have switched 5 cages, all of my breeding gliders and those on the small side (under 100 grams), to a different diet. The other 4 cages are still on Blended.

Please keep us posted!
Posted By: kjgoulet

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 03/03/11 02:28 AM

Originally Posted By: cinnamonstix
Just updating that coats are starting to smooth out and look less crackly. Fur is softer, still stained obviously, but improvements have started. Nemo has gained 5g back since we started back on HPW. A couple of gliders tails are starting to fluff out a bit, we still have a ways to go until we are back to normal. Icarus still weighs 185, hopefully he and a couple of my girls that got fat in the pouch will trim down a little bit with the change back. More updates to come.


My gliders used to be fed the BML and their previous owner switched them to the HPW. She said she noticed a big difference in the way they looked and acted. Their coats were fuller, softer, and had less "cracks" and they seemed more happy and energetic. I kept them on the same diet since she knew the differences and I figured it would be best to stick with what she'd experienced.
Posted By: Glide_Bye_Lily

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 03/03/11 02:46 AM

Originally Posted By: kjgoulet
Originally Posted By: cinnamonstix
Just updating that coats are starting to smooth out and look less crackly. Fur is softer, still stained obviously, but improvements have started. Nemo has gained 5g back since we started back on HPW. A couple of gliders tails are starting to fluff out a bit, we still have a ways to go until we are back to normal. Icarus still weighs 185, hopefully he and a couple of my girls that got fat in the pouch will trim down a little bit with the change back. More updates to come.


My gliders used to be fed the BML and their previous owner switched them to the HPW. She said she noticed a big difference in the way they looked and acted. Their coats were fuller, softer, and had less "cracks" and they seemed more happy and energetic. I kept them on the same diet since she knew the differences and I figured it would be best to stick with what she'd experienced.


This is a thread about the concerns some individuals had about feeding Candy's Blended Diet. Not about BML or what they look like after switching to a different diet from BML. thumb
Posted By: kjgoulet

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 03/03/11 03:00 AM

Originally Posted By: Glide_Bye_Lily
Originally Posted By: kjgoulet
Originally Posted By: cinnamonstix
Just updating that coats are starting to smooth out and look less crackly. Fur is softer, still stained obviously, but improvements have started. Nemo has gained 5g back since we started back on HPW. A couple of gliders tails are starting to fluff out a bit, we still have a ways to go until we are back to normal. Icarus still weighs 185, hopefully he and a couple of my girls that got fat in the pouch will trim down a little bit with the change back. More updates to come.


My gliders used to be fed the BML and their previous owner switched them to the HPW. She said she noticed a big difference in the way they looked and acted. Their coats were fuller, softer, and had less "cracks" and they seemed more happy and energetic. I kept them on the same diet since she knew the differences and I figured it would be best to stick with what she'd experienced.


This is a thread about the concerns some individuals had about feeding Candy's Blended Diet. Not about BML or what they look like after switching to a different diet from BML. thumb


I was making a comment about what was said and that my gliders had the same outcomes.. When the topic says Blended Diet Concerns, it could mean any blended diet. Maybe OP should've put it Candy's in there too.
Posted By: IslandGliders

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 03/03/11 03:13 AM

Originally Posted By: kjgoulet
Originally Posted By: Glide_Bye_Lily
Originally Posted By: kjgoulet
Originally Posted By: cinnamonstix
Just updating that coats are starting to smooth out and look less crackly. Fur is softer, still stained obviously, but improvements have started. Nemo has gained 5g back since we started back on HPW. A couple of gliders tails are starting to fluff out a bit, we still have a ways to go until we are back to normal. Icarus still weighs 185, hopefully he and a couple of my girls that got fat in the pouch will trim down a little bit with the change back. More updates to come.


My gliders used to be fed the BML and their previous owner switched them to the HPW. She said she noticed a big difference in the way they looked and acted. Their coats were fuller, softer, and had less "cracks" and they seemed more happy and energetic. I kept them on the same diet since she knew the differences and I figured it would be best to stick with what she'd experienced.


This is a thread about the concerns some individuals had about feeding Candy's Blended Diet. Not about BML or what they look like after switching to a different diet from BML. thumb


I was making a comment about what was said and that my gliders had the same outcomes.. When the topic says Blended Diet Concerns, it could mean any blended diet. Maybe OP should've put it Candy's in there too.


Many diets are made in a blender. Nevertheless, they are not considered "blended diets." The only blended diet *is* Candy's blended diet.
Posted By: Glide_Bye_Lily

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 03/11/11 08:35 PM

Update!

since switching back to HPW. Joey sizes have increased significantly!

Lillie was OOP 2/3 and weights 51 grams. Her full brother Lucky (from litter just before her) was 54 grams at 9 weeks OOP.

Cosmo and Libra had twins OOP 2 days ago, both weighing 14 grams. Their full sisters (from litter before) came OOP at 9 grams a piece.

Coats are looking cleaner and more plush. And the gliders thats tails were thinning are growing back!
Posted By: JillMarie

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 03/11/11 10:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Glide_Bye_Lily
Update!

since switching back to HPW. Joey sizes have increased significantly!

Lillie was OOP 2/3 and weights 51 grams. Her full brother Lucky (from litter just before her) was 54 grams at 9 weeks OOP.

Cosmo and Libra had twins OOP 2 days ago, both weighing 14 grams. Their full sisters (from litter before) came OOP at 9 grams a piece.

Coats are looking cleaner and more plush. And the gliders thats tails were thinning are growing back!


Curious how long before you noticed any difference in the fur and tails?
Posted By: Glide_Bye_Lily

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 03/11/11 10:37 PM

about a month. 4-5 weeks.
Posted By: JeremysDad

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 03/12/11 01:22 AM

I have had J and L on the diet for 5 months? not exactly sure when I started. They clean their plate almost every night. I miss fruits, vegs and blended all together. I use version 1.

I guess you could say I have modified the diet, because I use 1000 instead of 900 as the recipe calls for (I did mention this to Candy). I had bought the capsules Without Vit D for another diet and I wanted to finish the two bottles I had just bought.

Sometimes I mix some yogurt in as a treat. Mine get yogurt.blueberry drops, gerber puff, papaya and dried fig treats, some yogies ... apples or fruit in pouches if I think they need it or a treat for being good.


They are only 9 months old and weight 90 grams and tails look the same as usual.

The new girls have been on it for a week.
Posted By: cinnamonstix

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 05/04/11 02:37 PM

I want to update that Nemo's weight went from 115 on blended (which is very small for him) up to 135. His fur is looking more and more better. I would still say not 100% IMO but it looks significantly better. I need to weigh everyone else, but my breeding male Rafiki has also gone from 110 to 155. One factor is he also just hit a year old and still could have been growing/filling out some. All I know is he looks GOOD!

Will weigh and compare and post more updates as I have them. Within in the day or so.
Posted By: WintersSong

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 05/04/11 05:34 PM

I want to give a little update, too...

Back in Feb., I posted that I was having no concerns with the blended diet. In March, after returning from a trip to Texas, I noticed that both Monk and Munch's fur was extremely cracked, and didn't feel quite so soft -- despite the fact that their diet, and environment, had remained exactly the same.

In April, I brought two joeys home that were being fed HPW Original. I ended up switching Monk and Munch to it cold turkey. Since then, I have noticed that their fur feels softer, and is starting to look better. I have also noticed that they are much more active than they were previously.
Posted By: Dani4Hedgies

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 05/04/11 06:23 PM

I have been reading and watching this thread since it started as I started feeding the blended diet when I heard about it from Alden. I have 3 breeding pairs and a cage of rescues as well as a neutered boy and I have never seen any of the points brought up in this thread. I have waited until now because I wanted to listen to everyone side and see what results switching had for those who were having problems.

All of my babies look healthy have great fur (yes it is a bit cracked but that is normal for this time of the year in the Midwest and they are looking better every day as again expected). No one has any strong stains, no tails look thin or rat-like. My one neutered boy is a complete fluff boy (just moved him in with a new mate a couple of weeks ago and out of mom and dad's cage so will watch that). I am often commented on how little of a smell they have (from those who have had gliders in the past) and as I have noticed a difference from how they smelled on HPW I completely agree.

Now I have been asked by different people who know I fed the blended diet if I have had any problems and I have always said nope but that I don't feed the baby food meat I buy human grade boneless skinless chicken tenders/breast and boil them with the eggs.

I feed a set diet of veggies in the late fall, winter, and early spring of a mixed veggie mix that is 40% carrots, 40% green beans, 10% peas and 10% corn, every couple of days I pull the peas and corn and instead feed broci in its place. (I have found that if I do the broci all the time it doesn't get eaten)

During the middle of Spring, Summer, until the middle of Fall I use only fresh veggies off of the approved veggie list that is purchased at my local farmers market.

Fruit is Mango, Strawberries, Peaches, Blueberries and Raspberries depending on what looks good fresh (when possible) or frozen when not.

We love this diet and so do my babies. We normally have nothing left or if we do it is a couple pieces of veggies. ( I also give my babies a bit of extra veggies)
Posted By: Kayla

Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One - 05/04/11 08:34 PM

I just spent the last 45 mins trying to read this thread on my phone lol.

I just switched to the blended diet as of yesterday. I have a breeding trio with 4 joeys oop, a breeding pair with 2 ip, soon to be neutered & a trio of rehomes in which the female has 2 joeys ip, but her mate has been neutered for more thn a month. While this thread does concern me, I am going to still try this out and will observe closely. I was on the breeders modified hpw but switched because I had trouble with my gliders eating all their fruits & veggies. I made a double batch of the blended diet without the chicken and am using the calcium citrate. I feed the typical veggie mix with corn, carrots, peas, green beans & edemame, along with spagetti squash, zucchini, sugar snap peas, cucumbers and some others. I feed frozen berries, watermelon, honeydew, cantelope, strawberries, grapes, apples, bananas, clementines, kiwi & papaya... etc. I try to feed a variety. I will update with any concerns if I come across any.
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