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Inbred or not? #953658
06/03/10 02:41 AM
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Can anyone please tell me if there are any physical signs to identify an inbred glider?


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Re: Inbred or not? [Re: Gizmogirl] #953753
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why? you got some that bred that may be related? someone will be along soon to help!


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Re: Inbred or not? [Re: eterrell84] #953755
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Liezl...maybe if they have a tail growing out of their head? hehehe Sorry...just having a little fun. I'm curious about this, too...looking forward to someone with some good answers!

Re: Inbred or not? [Re: DCMuffin] #953760
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While inbreeding CAN lead to physical malformations or genetic "blunders" that would be aparent to the naked eye, it is NOT ALWAYS apparent when gliders (or anything else for that matter) has been inbred.

The only way to know for SURE is to have lineage going back multiple generations on both of the parents and comparing the two "family trees".

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Re: Inbred or not? [Re: DCMuffin] #953774
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That's the thing about inbreeding....there are not any usually signs, unless a certain glider has an outward physical defect that can be traced to it. You can't tell just by looking at a glider if it is "inbred", related to your other gliders. You can only see this on the pedigree (lineage). This is where you can see all the relatives and be able to tell who is related to who. You wouldn't think of mating your dog to his daughter or something like that but wouldn't know this until you saw it on the papers.


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Re: Inbred or not? [Re: gliderma] #953815
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Thank you all, I do not have breeding going on from anyone related,,,LOL in fact I am working really hard on educating the SA community on inbreeding.

The glider I was wondering about is my first glider, he is a male and neutered. I tried to go back on the lineage, but no success, there is no database in SA for this, I am also trying to get that in place.


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Re: Inbred or not? [Re: Gizmogirl] #953820
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Well from genetics class I can tell you...
That when two animals that are related breed, it imediately messes with genes.
Genes from the parents are so similar that they allow the bad and the good genes to become more present. So you are basically highlighting all of the parents genes. Every being on the planet has some genetic defect. (we all arent perfect!!) Genetic variation allows most genetic glitches to vanish but, inbreding makes them more present.

There, usually, is not an outward signs and there isnt any noticable inward signs through the first couple generations. But if it continues, the most visible differences would be in the limbs or in the genital area and behavior. they all wont develop like they should...

Re: Inbred or not? [Re: ] #953824
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There are some gliders with outward signs. And it is really really sad. There are gliders with clear neurological issues - they twitch, bob head, and can't seem to walk in a straight line. They have obvious signs of mental retardation.

There is a vet who has been examining these gliders and has made it his "mission" to find out exactly what is going on. Sadly, there are several of them. frown

While there are not always outward signs, when there ARE outward signs, they are horribly sad.


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Re: Inbred or not? [Re: ValkyrieMome] #953827
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Originally Posted By: ValkyrieMome
There is a vet who has been examining these gliders and has made it his "mission" to find out exactly what is going on.


Do you perhaps have reference as to where I can do some reading on this?


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Re: Inbred or not? [Re: Gizmogirl] #953848
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this makes me want to throw up. it disturbs me that some people think it is ok to inbreed animals. what is wrong with people???


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Re: Inbred or not? [Re: Gizmogirl] #953853
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I have let the person more directly involved in this - who has 2 of the gliders now - know about this thread.



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Re: Inbred or not? [Re: ValkyrieMome] #953862
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I have a pair of twins that are about 5 years old now named Dimitri and Tegan. They are very inbred. They have a condition that 4 vets have not been able to diagnose, but all have said with certainty that it is because of inbreeding. They had two younger siblings, sisters, and one of them had the same condition. Here is their lineage. I took them to a new vet a few weeks ago and he told me that he's seen several cases of this condition in my area, and nearly all of them had been heavily inbred. He pointed out that their face is rounder and ears smaller, but their behavior is hard to miss. They shake and wobble a lot and like to be on their back. Sometimes they run in circles when they are stressed. Here are a few videos:

Video 1

Video 2

Video 3


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Re: Inbred or not? [Re: kitsune] #953867
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Those videos are so very sad - and so very cute. They are adorable. frown I'm glad they have you to take care of them and give them mealies!


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Re: Inbred or not? [Re: kitsune] #953869
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I just want to pick them up and cuddle them....:-)

Re: Inbred or not? [Re: DCMuffin] #953898
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Here are a few pics I dug up of Dimitri's head shape:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c215/neekitz/Dimitri1/misc041.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c215/neekitz/Dimitri1/misc6005.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c215/neekitz/Dimitri1/CIMG3132.jpg

I always thought his head shape wasn't too different from a normal short-nosed glider, but his ears are definitely very small. They both also throw their heads back a lot and look with their eyes so you can see the white in the eye:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c215/neekitz/Dimitri1/IMGP0325.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c215/neekitz/Dimitri1/Picture115.jpg

They also tilt their heads to the side like this:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c215/neekitz/Tegan1/DSC00748.jpg


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since face/head shape and ear size was mentioned...I must admit that when my husband and i are cruising this forum and are looking at pics of all the pretty colored gliders, while they are very beautiful, we always seem to comment on how small their ears look. we thought at first it was just optical illusion due to the photography or colors of the gliders, but now I wonder...


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Re: Inbred or not? [Re: ValkyrieMome] #954089
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Originally Posted By: ValkyrieMome
I have let the person more directly involved in this - who has 2 of the gliders now - know about this thread.



Thank you Alden.


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It was heartbreaking to see those videos, and it encourages me even more to educate and prevent (where I can) on inbreeding.

Thank you for being such a wonderful mommy to Dimitri and Tegan. And thank you for sharing the pictures and videos. I think this would alert everyone again on how important it is to make sure of the lineage before breeding.


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Re: Inbred or not? [Re: Gizmogirl] #957365
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My little guy was the product of a less than appealing pairing. The lineage was looked into after he came oop with a wonky ear. He is Nemo due to his little ear but being that he is a 15% (now 16% with the new figures) coefficent I see this as a most likely cause for his ear deformation. He is inbred. We have no other signs, he is healthy, chunky, friendly and spoiled. MOST IMPORTANTLY he is neutered and his mother and father were given new partners as they were not fit to be a breeding couple. I would not trade him in for a normal glider. He is VERY special.

Here is Nemo's ear.

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Re: Inbred or not? [Re: JillMarie] #957401
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Originally Posted By: JillMarie
this makes me want to throw up. it disturbs me that some people think it is ok to inbreed animals. what is wrong with people???


Every time someone breeds without lineage, there is always a chance of it happening as well.


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Re: Inbred or not? [Re: kitsune] #957405
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Originally Posted By: kitsune
I have a pair of twins that are about 5 years old now named Dimitri and Tegan. They are very inbred. They have a condition that 4 vets have not been able to diagnose, but all have said with certainty that it is because of inbreeding. They had two younger siblings, sisters, and one of them had the same condition. Here is their lineage. I took them to a new vet a few weeks ago and he told me that he's seen several cases of this condition in my area, and nearly all of them had been heavily inbred. He pointed out that their face is rounder and ears smaller, but their behavior is hard to miss. They shake and wobble a lot and like to be on their back. Sometimes they run in circles when they are stressed. Here are a few videos:

Video 1

Video 2

Video 3


It is very sad what has happened to your babies, but I do want to point out this.

Not all gliders with round heads are inbred. I have a lion paired to a white face blonde that are not related at all. Their babies are 0% inbred, and every one of them have round heads. No defects at all.

The head bobbing demonstrated in your video certainly is not normal and this I have never seen before until you posted the video.


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Re: Inbred or not? [Re: cinnamonstix] #957411
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Originally Posted By: ValkyrieMome
Those videos are so very sad - and so very cute. They are adorable. frown I'm glad they have you to take care of them and give them mealies!

I totally agree. While very sad (my heart sank when I saw their movements), it's very obvious they're loved and well taken care of. It helps me to know, they don't know they're "different", and live happy lives.

Originally Posted By: cinnamonstix
My little guy was the product of a less than appealing pairing. The lineage was looked into after he came oop with a wonky ear. He is Nemo due to his little ear but being that he is a 15% (now 16% with the new figures) coefficent I see this as a most likely cause for his ear deformation. He is inbred. We have no other signs, he is healthy, chunky, friendly and spoiled. MOST IMPORTANTLY he is neutered and his mother and father were given new partners as they were not fit to be a breeding couple. I would not trade him in for a normal glider. He is VERY special.

Here is Nemo's ear.

I'm so glad you had him neutered, and stopped the cycle. I'm also so glad it's just his ear that's wonky! It so easily have been neurological and worse physically.

He's adorable, BTW and I love his name!


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Re: Inbred or not? [Re: suggiemom1980] #957422
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Yep, his coming OOP was not a joyous occasion as it should have been for my friend. She was looking for a pet only home and she was plastering pics of him in my face, I could not say no. So at 8 weeks OOP he came home with me and at 12 weeks OOP he was neutered. My mom thinks I am insane for having him neutered, OMG I can't stand that. Ick. Really? And like I said, his mom and dad were re-paired and Nemo was the only joey produced out of the pairing that ended up being very temporary. Good thing that had not been together too long. What chaos. We were able to find much more suitable partners but yeah OMG I can not believe that some may think it is ok to inbreed. Beth and my situations show just teh tip of what can happen. Internal unknown issues could be hiding. I hope my baby grows very old. I love him so much.

Beth, I did not know you had special gliders....they look very sweeet and very very special. Give them kisses for me and major kudos to you for sticking it out with them. It is great to know that those darlings will get a life full of eternal love.

I have a mill glider and he seems pretty normal. He is blind in one eye but I am pretty sure it was due to an eye injury as a joey. These special babies need so much love. Aren't they just the sweetest?


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Have any of the gliders with small/deformed ears also shown kidney problems?

In human and most mammals the ears and kidneys develop at the same time in utero and frequently a visible defect in the ears also signals a strong potential for kidney deformities.

edited to add:

This might be a very good reason to have a necropsy done on any known inbred glider when it crosses the rainbow bridge. There may be other internal problems shown at necropsy as well we might not be able to identify otherwise.

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Re: Inbred or not? [Re: cinnamonstix] #958519
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Originally Posted By: cinnamonstix
My little guy was the product of a less than appealing pairing. The lineage was looked into after he came oop with a wonky ear. He is Nemo due to his little ear but being that he is a 15% (now 16% with the new figures) coefficent I see this as a most likely cause for his ear deformation. He is inbred. We have no other signs, he is healthy, chunky, friendly and spoiled. MOST IMPORTANTLY he is neutered and his mother and father were given new partners as they were not fit to be a breeding couple. I would not trade him in for a normal glider. He is VERY special.

Here is Nemo's ear.


Thank you for posting, your little guy is just gorgeous. The more we can learn about this, the more we can prevent it from happening.


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Originally Posted By: OtteMom
Have any of the gliders with small/deformed ears also shown kidney problems?


I second this question.


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My two have not shown any signs of liver problems, but when Tegan was younger she had an episode with severe seizures. She seized for nearly a day straight in spite of the Valium the vet gave her, and continued to have several brief seizures after she came home. Their younger sister Whisper died at around 2 years old, unexplained causes, unfortunately the vet that I sent her to for a necropsy was no help at all and wouldn't return her remains. The report did say that her liver was healthy though.


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Thank you Beth, poor Tegan, at least she is surrounded by love.


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Re: Inbred or not? [Re: Gizmogirl] #958613
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I am not sure. Would bloodwork tell you or wold this be something that would develop later in life? My guy is still pretty young, lol.


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Re: Inbred or not? [Re: cinnamonstix] #958640
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Nemo, is very cute! Sorry to hear about everything, and glad you took care of it all! Good luck in the future!


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