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Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things?
[Re: Sheila]
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06/27/09 12:15 AM
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This dilemma seems so easy to me to fix.
A "True Platinum" would be called a Platinum. This refers to the genetic coloration that everyone understands. (As indicated before, because Platinum is a genetic term it should only be used on a glider with that lineage.)
A "Platinum colored Mosaic" would be called a Silver Mosaic. This is the color only, just like a white mo, or a ringtail mo. That description tells everyone what color the mosaic is and speaks nothing of genetics (other than being a mo).
Let's face it, the platinum-color is silver. Why try to re-invent the terms? The mosaics in question are silver, why not just call them that?
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Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things?
[Re: Sheila]
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06/27/09 01:50 AM
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Nicole, I don't know what you are referring to about another platinum I have produced from a different line. Also, All of Bec's platinum are from Haley lines.
Annabelle, from Caspian and Magnolia. Also, Becca's gliders don't have Haley anywhere in their lineages.
~Nicole~ Proudly enslaved by lots of silly suggies, 3 crazy kitties, a huffy hedgie, and a pretty puppy!
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Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things?
[Re: Sheila]
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06/27/09 02:20 PM
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So, how about silver mosaics for the mosaics that are born that way, and powdered mosaics for the ones that powder out eventually. ??
It really would be helpful if we could come up with something to clear up the confusion for sure.
Guess time will tell!
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Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things?
[Re: Sheila]
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06/27/09 04:17 PM
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See, this is why I am confused Sheila. If you get a chance, please go look at my thread titled Powdered Mosaic.
You said this earlier in this thread:
"Sil many gliders that are mosaic don't start out as platinum, but become that when they powder out. The breeder can then go back and change it. Not all mosaics powder out."
It seems what you just said seems to be the opposite.
I really am confused!
Karin
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Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things?
[Re: Srlb]
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06/27/09 06:14 PM
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Maybe I'm reading it differently, but it looks like what Sheila is saying is that platinum-colored MOSAICS don't always start out that color, but rather they will powder out to the platinum color as they get older. However, TRUE PLATINUMS do not powder out. They are OOP as platinums.
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Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things?
[Re: Guerita135]
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06/27/09 06:30 PM
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That works for me, however, calling them Platinum Mosaics (once they powder out), is extremely confusing. Karin
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Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things?
[Re: Srlb]
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06/27/09 07:14 PM
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Well, if theories are correct then, technically, the lines would be called "Blanch" and "Cereal". However, I think they're just being named after the first platinums that were RECOGNIZED as platinums.
~Nicole~ Proudly enslaved by lots of silly suggies, 3 crazy kitties, a huffy hedgie, and a pretty puppy!
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Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things?
[Re: Sheila]
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06/27/09 09:28 PM
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And "Sunny" is out of Sandman and Sesamie. Sandman is out of Cereal.
Sandman WFB and Sprite WFB... Sprite was out of Ole Yeller and Blanch. And I think Peggy has one of those babies from me.
Edited post due to typing error of name.
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Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things?
[Re: Sheila]
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06/27/09 11:05 PM
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(I don't know how you two do this ). Ok, but daddy (Armani) is out of Sprite and Lucius. Is that the same Sprite? Karin
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Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things?
[Re: Karin]
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06/28/09 12:22 AM
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And I think Peggy has one of those babies from me. Judie, I dont have any babies from you. I do have some from others that have gotten babies from you though. Like Snuggle is actually from Streak and Scooter (Who I got from CKB) who is from Gabby and Tai Pan. Sheila, thank you for clearing that up for me. I really do think I have scratched a bald spot on my head trying to figure this stuff out. Karin, I am with you, I dont know how they do it neither. I wind up confusing myself and then have to back track and take it one glider at a time and write it all on paper in order to keep up with it all!!
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Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things?
[Re: gliderboy4life]
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06/28/09 02:36 PM
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I also have Schezwan's sister, Leda, and she's got an extraordinary color! I have her paired with a leu boy from Haley and Mickey. So far, no platinums, but you guys KNOW I'll be shouting it around the world if they DO have one. Here's the best pic I have that show's Leda's gorgeous coloring: Man, I hope we can figure out the platinum gene soon! lol
~Nicole~ Proudly enslaved by lots of silly suggies, 3 crazy kitties, a huffy hedgie, and a pretty puppy!
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Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things?
[Re: Guerita135]
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07/01/09 10:45 AM
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Annabelle, from Caspian and Magnolia. Also, Becca's gliders don't have Haley anywhere in their lineages Nicole, I got confused with some of the things being said here. Does Becca's line have haley or not? Thanks for the help
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Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things?
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07/01/09 11:01 AM
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I guess the reason the "haley" line is confusing is because then people go looking for Haley IN the line and find that she's just not there.
My platinums are from the exact same line as Haley is. But Haley is NOT in my platinums lineages.
We are still trying to figure and pinpoint (if possible) where this gene has originated from and how it works. Since we don't know... and since Haley was the first known platinum in this "line", it is appropriate to call it the Haley line.
If you look back in Haley's lineage, you'll find Frodo, Noel, Sammie, and Hope. If you back in Mr. Sambuca's lineage (as well as Mastika and Zeppi), you'll find those exact same ancestors.
Does that help tie it together? They are definitely from the same line. =)
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Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things?
[Re: Sheila]
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07/01/09 04:05 PM
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This dilemma seems so easy to me to fix.
A "True Platinum" would be called a Platinum. This refers to the genetic coloration that everyone understands. (As indicated before, because Platinum is a genetic term it should only be used on a glider with that lineage.)
A "Platinum colored Mosaic" would be called a Silver Mosaic. This is the color only, just like a white mo, or a ringtail mo. That description tells everyone what color the mosaic is and speaks nothing of genetics (other than being a mo).
Let's face it, the platinum-color is silver. Why try to re-invent the terms? The mosaics in question are silver, why not just call them that?
I agree this would be a good way to clear this up. I think that changes started being made to the database before there was really a complete consensus on it & it hadn't even been mentioned as an option before to change the platinums to Silverbelle & Haley platinums. I see many statements here that need correcting. First starting with Mac. Starting on June 3 I decided to add some names to the Pet Glider Data Base. When I started to see the errors, I decided to try and get them corrected. I actually only entered about 5 of my gliders to that database. Many were already added by different people and the lineages were incorrect. In a conversation with Priscilla on the phone just prior to me making these corrections, I told her why the database was wrong giving her two examples - the one about Minnie and Mickey not being out of Ethan and Eileen and the one about Mac not being a platinum. Priscilla had no idea that Ethan was not always with Eileen. She had put in the database that Mac was a platinum and I reminded her that Mac had always produced normal colored gliders and Mosaics. Mac was described to me by Dai, the previous owner as a mosaic. I did notice that both of these changes were made. Thanks for clarifying because when I went in & looked at my gliders' lineage & saw Eileen was missing & Mac was a mosaic, I thought for sure I was losing my mind. I wasn't breeding for platinum, but I was telling people that our joeys had some small amount of platinum in their lineage...and now it turns out that wasn't correct, which kind of stinks, but so far we have sold to pet-only homes, so it's ok. I'm really hoping people get on board with this registry that some people are trying to create. I think it would help to correct some of these issues & prevent them from happening again. What would happen if some of you long-timers weren't around to remember these things? We'd forever have an incorrect database. Misty
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Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things?
[Re: IowaMisty]
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07/01/09 10:12 PM
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[quote=GliderNursery]This dilemma seems so easy to me to fix.
A "True Platinum" would be called a Platinum. This refers to the genetic coloration that everyone understands. (As indicated before, because Platinum is a genetic term it should only be used on a glider with that lineage.)
A "Platinum colored Mosaic" would be called a Silver Mosaic. This is the color only, just like a white mo, or a ringtail mo. That description tells everyone what color the mosaic is and speaks nothing of genetics (other than being a mo).
Let's face it, the platinum-color is silver. Why try to re-invent the terms? The mosaics in question are silver, why not just call them that?
I agree this would be a good way to clear this up. I think that changes started being made to the database before there was really a complete consensus on it & it hadn't even been mentioned as an option before to change the platinums to Silverbelle & Haley platinums. Misty I agree with this, makes more sense to me too. I thought this from the start that silver was the better answer to this problem.
Last edited by NGS; 07/01/09 10:22 PM.
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