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Re: Mosaic Question
[Re: IowaMisty]
#775498
05/05/09 09:24 PM
05/05/09 09:24 PM
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partyofsix
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A mosaic glider no matter how little white they have can have any kind of mosaic. I don't think you can predict how much white their joeys will have. My mosaic Julian just has a white face, one white ear, a small white s shape on his neck, white hands and feet, and a white tail. His first joey is all white and looks like a leu at first glance.
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Re: Mosaic Question
[Re: IowaMisty]
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05/05/09 10:05 PM
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partyofsix
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A white mosaic can have any form of mosaic. I would think that if a glider has white feet and comes from mosaic lines that it is a mosaic. Unless it is from the champagne lines as I believe some of them have white hands and feet, but are not mosaics.
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Re: Mosaic Question
[Re: IowaMisty]
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05/05/09 10:35 PM
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BeckiT
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When pairing a mosaic to a WFB mosaic, would 100% of their babies be mosaic? And 50% of their babies be WFB mosaic? Is there such a thing as WFB mosaic? Pairing 2 mosaics together does not increase your chance of getting mosaic babies (much like you can still have a gray with 2 WF parents), you can have mosaic, wf mosaic if one/both are wf, and even just gray babies.. Mosaic is not like the leu gene where if both parents show the color, all joeys will be that color. There are wf mosaics And another - if the mother of the same pairing is from sterile lines, would all of the male offspring be possibly sterile? And all of the female offspring be possibly passing on the sterility? In most cases yes to both parts of sterility
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Re: Mosaic Question
[Re: IowaMisty]
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05/05/09 11:34 PM
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Misty, I would save my money and purchase a glider that is from non sterile lines, with the economy the way it is there are deals out there. You just have to wait a little sometimes. I waited to get my Mo and I'm so glad I did!
Adri Mother of 2 Adrian, Sofie Slave to many glidin' gliders www.sugarsensation.comWithin the heart of every stray lies the singular desire to be loved.
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Re: Mosaic Question
[Re: IowaMisty]
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05/05/09 11:58 PM
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mattysmom
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Misty, my mosaic-producing pair includes a grey male with mosaic lineage and a female with a tiny white spot on her nose. They produced a beautiful mosaic female a year ago who has lightened in color. They just had two girls, both mosaics/ringtails. Mosaics can be full of surprises.
Moira & Matty & my zoo
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Re: Mosaic Question
[Re: IowaMisty]
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05/05/09 11:59 PM
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queenduck
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Misty, who is this sterile line glider from?
Alicia aka Queenduck, Bentley's Nana
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Re: Mosaic Question
[Re: IowaMisty]
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05/06/09 08:55 AM
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queenduck
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She has always given me good breeding advice, so if she has some breeding contract/that he won't be sterile, then I'd go for it if that is the one you want. You will have to be careful what you breed a sterile glider to, and what you do with the joeys. If you go that route let me know and I'll tell you how I do it.
Alicia aka Queenduck, Bentley's Nana
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Re: Mosaic Question
[Re: IowaMisty]
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05/06/09 11:59 AM
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queenduck
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Honestly, it is harder to sell right now. So don't count on anything. Just buy the glider you love, looks they way you want it to, that way if it never produces you have want you want. It is the only way to go.
Alicia aka Queenduck, Bentley's Nana
We need role models who are going to break the mold ~ Carly Simon
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Re: Mosaic Question
[Re: IowaMisty]
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05/06/09 12:37 PM
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queenduck
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If you are just know that you are not alone. LOL
Alicia aka Queenduck, Bentley's Nana
We need role models who are going to break the mold ~ Carly Simon
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Re: Mosaic Question
[Re: queenduck]
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05/06/09 01:05 PM
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mommabear82
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My husband just gave me the okay to get a mosaic and I am having a hard time grasping the amount of money I am going to spend.
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Re: Mosaic Question
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05/06/09 01:17 PM
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queenduck
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Crystal, depending on what you want the price ranges for junst under $1000 for a sterile mo male, neuted male, to thousands of $$ for a really white mosaic breedable male. So you have to think about what type of mosaic you want and if you plan on breeding it. Once you know that then you can start looking for your perfect baby.
Alicia aka Queenduck, Bentley's Nana
We need role models who are going to break the mold ~ Carly Simon
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Re: Mosaic Question
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05/06/09 01:38 PM
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mommabear82
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Yeah, I am putting a lot of thought on this subject. I know that the perfect baby will come it's just a matter of waiting. I have plenty of time and am still in shock that my husband said yes. I don't really like the white mosaics. I like some color. Lol.
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Re: Mosaic Question
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05/06/09 02:02 PM
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ajvs
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Yeah...well obviously if I'm going to spend a large amount of money then I want one that I think is really pretty (and will be a nice pet as well)......but it's still hard to think about spending sooooooo much on a glider hoping he will produce and help pay for himself and then having that not happen. Lots of people spend thousands on animals as pets without expecting them to produce. For example, the first 4 or so generations of hybrid cat males can't produce and people buy them for a lot of money. My first serval I paid $3500 for and had him neutered. As far as gliders are concerned, I assisted a person who took in a glider, had to take it to a vet, well vet bills that cost me over $1500. The love of a glider is worth more than any monetary gain. I'm a little offended you would almost expect the glider to produce so you can "make back what you spent on him." If you have a child, I'm sure that child costs you much more than a glider, and he or she doesn't pay you back anything except love.
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Re: Mosaic Question
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05/06/09 02:36 PM
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I'm not here to run a baby factory. I would just be hoping to get a few pretty babies. Not because I don't love my gliders. And I wouldn't love them any less if they never had babies. It's not about monetary gain for me. However, my husband was laid off in November and money is tight. So if we're going to shell out thousands of dollars on something right now, it does have to be at least a little bit of an investment. If I wanted to just get another pet and not have it produce any babies, I would choose a much cheaper glider or get a rescue. That is a personal decision. I know that some people will pay a lot of money for a pet with a certain look or temperament. I understand that. But in all actuality with my current situation, it would be insane for me to plop $5,000 on a colony & not be at least a little disappointed if they didn't produce. My goal as a breeder is to breed responsibly, love my gliders as my pets, stop breeding if it becomes unhealthy for them, and find good homes for my babies. I'm not trying to make a large profit. I am only hoping to break even, so that I don't dig a financial hole for myself. I don't believe there is anything wrong with that or that I should have to defend myself in that. I also almost bought a serval several years ago and was not planning to breed. So I understand the concept of paying for something unique that you can love and enjoy. I'm just saying that with my current situation, and being such a small breeder, I have to be very wise about how I spend my money and which gliders I choose to adopt and breed. As a responsible breeder, I feel it is my duty to do my research & find out what I'm getting into. And that's why I posted this topic. I wanted to find out what the chances are with the different options I have. My goal in this thread is to learn more about the mosaics and also get a realistic grasp on whether or not I should get one as a breeder. I'm also getting the feeling that many people are having trouble selling their mosaics. As a breeder, it is not my goal to contribute to overpopulation. So that's something I also have to consider. Anyway, it's a simple fact...at this point in my life, it's not wise for me to get a mosaic that's not going to be breeding. Maybe later down the road I would consider getting a mosaic as a pet only, but currently I can't get one unless I'm hoping for him to breed and help recoup at least some of my funds. Misty
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Re: Mosaic Question
[Re: IowaMisty]
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05/06/09 02:55 PM
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Guerita135
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If you're going to get a mosaic, get one from non-sterile lines. I've spoken to my vet about it and she spoke with some other vets about it as well and they all said to NOT breed sterile lines, EVEN if they're producing intact males. Priscilla herself said that even if a male from sterile lines can produce, he and his offspring can still pop up sterile males so that line will NEVER be considered completely non-sterile. Also, there have been males born without testes. I told my vet about that as well and got an extremely concerned look from her. :\ She said not to breed gliders from sterile lines because you could be breeding other health issues and not know it(til it's too late). If a dog/cat breeder had an animal that was throwing sterile males they would never continue to breed that line. Should we glider breeders show that same kind of responsibility? As you're saying about money, if you're going to be spending that much money on a glider to breed, then should you be getting the best glider you can for that amount of money? As had already been said(on answer to your first question), gliders with only a teensie bit of white can throw almost all white babies, so looks doesn't matter when buying a breeding mosaic. What you need to look at is lineage. I'd recommend looking for a minimally-marked mosaic from non-sterile lines(NOT producing sterile lines, but NON-sterile). I've seen them sold for around $750-$1500.
~Nicole~ Proudly enslaved by lots of silly suggies, 3 crazy kitties, a huffy hedgie, and a pretty puppy!
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Re: Mosaic Question
[Re: Guerita135]
#775896
05/06/09 03:01 PM
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Priscilla herself said that even if a male from sterile lines can produce, he and his offspring can still pop up sterile males so that line will NEVER be considered completely non-sterile.
Funny a few people keep saying that- but I've not seen or heard Priscilla say that herself or Tyler confirm this is the case. It would be great to hear that from Priscilla or Tyler confirm this is what Priscilla thinks or has seen happen.
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Re: Mosaic Question
[Re: jacknsally]
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05/06/09 03:29 PM
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Guerita135
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Priscilla herself said that even if a male from sterile lines can produce, he and his offspring can still pop up sterile males so that line will NEVER be considered completely non-sterile.
Funny a few people keep saying that- but I've not seen or heard Priscilla say that herself or Tyler confirm this is the case. It would be great to hear that from Priscilla or Tyler confirm this is what Priscilla thinks or has seen happen. A friend of mine had a female from a "producing sterile line" that was sold to her as non-sterile. When the time came for her to sell a mosaic joey from the female, she was told that the baby could still throw sterile joeys. Well, she contacted the breeder she got the female from AND Priscilla Price. Priscilla told her that it's true and that the female's joeys could still be sterile and so could their offspring. I have the mosaic female that my friend bought and shortly after hearing about males born without testes I neutered her mate and retired them(as well as another pair from sterile lines). I'm not making it up and it's not hear-say. My friend spoke directly with Priscilla and I will shoot her a link to here so maybe she'll post the info herself so you aren't hearing it second-hand.
~Nicole~ Proudly enslaved by lots of silly suggies, 3 crazy kitties, a huffy hedgie, and a pretty puppy!
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