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Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: ValkyrieMome] #736111
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The instructions i got with my hpw say to use 1/2 cup powder for breeding females. It has been said 1/3 on here which is right? Am i giving my too much?

Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: ValkyrieMome] #736112
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is it normal for my babies to not drink alot of water now that i have switched them to the HPW? and also since i started giving them corn and green beans they wont eat there apples not any fruit i put in there. but i also find HPW left over in the dish in the morning. can someone help me tell me what else to feed them other than just corn and gr beens and HPW

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Gliders do not drink a lot of water. As long as they are getting a small amount along with their regular diet they are alright.
The HPW diet allows for corn, peas, green beans, snap peas. Fruit would be cantaloupe, honeydew, watermelon, blueberries, raspberries, (I'm sure there's more).
You will find that they don't always clean their plates. As long as they are eating most of their meal I wouldn't worry that they are not getting enough.
How much are you putting out for them. I believe the amount should be 1 tbsp HPW, 1 tbsp fruits, and 1 tbsp of veggies.

Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: LSardou] #736124
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Actually HPW is one and a half teaspoons of HPW per glider...:)


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Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: BindiAndScrubbie] #736126
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yes 1.5 tsp per glider or 1 tbs per pair

then 1 tbs veggies and 1 tbs fruit or if u have picky gliders like mine 2 tbs veggies per glider most nights

Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: BindiAndScrubbie] #736127
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And ps...since I switched mine, not only do they LOVE it...they have grown a lot and their fur is beautiful! an enormous improvement! And I mix the fruits, veggies and HPW all together otherwise, they single out stuff.


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Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: ValkyrieMome] #736158
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Does anyone know the Ca:P ratio of just the HPW mix itself? dunno Knowing that will help determine what fruits and veggies to include with the overall diet plan to help maintain the overall 2:1 Ca:P ratio. If it has a 4:1 Ca:P ratio, for instance, then finding high-calcium fruits and veggies wouldn't be a good idea.


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Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: KattyM] #736194
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http://www.glidercentral.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=104560

HPW diet 1 is Lucky_Gliders' computation of the HPW mixture alone w/o fruits and veggies,

ca:p = 5.92:4.56

Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: ValkyrieMome] #736202
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There was never a set amount listed. Mealies are not really part of the diet - but rather a supplementation and/or treat - I believe?

I give my gliders 3-4 a night. My pregnant/nursing moms get about twice that.


That's about the same amount that I'm giving them...just wanted to make sure I wasn't giving them too many! wink Thanks.

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Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: BindiAndScrubbie] #736250
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Originally Posted By: BindiAndScrubbie
Actually HPW is one and a half teaspoons of HPW per glider...:)


thumb Thank you for correcting me on that.

Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: ssdreamsicles] #737117
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Originally Posted By: ssdreamsicles
The instructions i got with my hpw say to use 1/2 cup powder for breeding females. It has been said 1/3 on here which is right? Am i giving my too much?


The HPW recipe says to increase the HPW powder to 1/2 cup for lactating females. Some breeders increase to only 1/3 cup. The intention, I believe, is to increase the amount of protein in the diet for lactating females (to mimic their diet in the wild). There is some debate as to whether or not it is necessary in captivity. You are following the design of the HPW diet if you increase to 1/2 cup for breeding pairs.

There are some pretty good tips & even a video on how to make HPW on my site:
http://www.sweet-sugar-gliders.com/sugar-glider-hpw-diet-high-protein-wombaroo-recipe.html

I hope that helps. It seems like everyone did a pretty good job of answering the original post. I know the diet stuff can be really intimidating at first. I'm still learning too.

Misty

Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: KattyM] #737118
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Originally Posted By: KattyM
Does anyone know the Ca:P ratio of just the HPW mix itself? dunno Knowing that will help determine what fruits and veggies to include with the overall diet plan to help maintain the overall 2:1 Ca:P ratio. If it has a 4:1 Ca:P ratio, for instance, then finding high-calcium fruits and veggies wouldn't be a good idea.


HPW is 1.29:1 ca:ph ratio.

Misty

Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: IowaMisty] #737291
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Thanks on the ratio, guys! (Or I should offer great thanks to Lucky_Glider. smile ) I also found this thread, for those interested: HPW DIET NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS. So, because the HPW ratio is a little over 1:1, you'd be shooting for roughly a 2:1 ratio with the fruits and veggies. smile


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Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: IowaMisty] #737314
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Originally Posted By: IowaMisty
Originally Posted By: ssdreamsicles
The instructions i got with my hpw say to use 1/2 cup powder for breeding females. It has been said 1/3 on here which is right? Am i giving my too much?


The HPW recipe says to increase the HPW powder to 1/2 cup for lactating females. Some breeders increase to only 1/3 cup. The intention, I believe, is to increase the amount of protein in the diet for lactating females (to mimic their diet in the wild). There is some debate as to whether or not it is necessary in captivity. You are following the design of the HPW diet if you increase to 1/2 cup for breeding pairs.

There are some pretty good tips & even a video on how to make HPW on my site:
http://www.sweet-sugar-gliders.com/sugar-glider-hpw-diet-high-protein-wombaroo-recipe.html

I hope that helps. It seems like everyone did a
pretty good job of answering the original post. I know the diet stuff can be really intimidating at first. I'm still learning too.

Misty


I have been doing the 1/2 cup for my females and so far so good. I wonder is 1/3 cup is enough? Thanks for the link ill be sure to check it out!

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I'm no expert, so I can't really say if 1/3 cup is enough. I just know that the diet was designed by a well-known breeder & vet & their instructions say to use 1/2 cup when your females are lactating (babies in pouch or nursing out of pouch). I tend to think that any variations that are made should be done with research & a lot of thought because they're kind of at your own risk. In this case, I would guess that using 1/3 cup isn't hurting them at all. Some breeders believe you don't need to increase the protein like this, you just need to offer a little more food in general. But like I said, I'm no expert about it yet....and those breeders tend to say that with HPW you should stick to what it says to do...so for my gliders, I just do what I'm told. I will say I have read that it's good to give your gliders a break between breeding sessions from the extra protein version.

Misty

Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: IowaMisty] #737529
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well i think id rather be safe then sorry. Ill stick to the 1/2 cup. I do put them on the reg when they do not have joeys. One of my females carmella always takes a break between joeys but this time the little stinker dropped 2 in right after she weened kahlan...she said mom thinks she has me all figured out lol watch this!

Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: ssdreamsicles] #737589
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The 1/3 of a cup is something some members do as a variation to the recipe. But the recipe calls for either 1/4 for non-pregnant/lactating females or 1/2 cup if they are for the wombaroo powder.

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Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: MatchMakerMagic] #737640
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I think I might be guilty of confusing everyone here.

I posted that I use 1/3 a cup all the time. I do this rather than make 2 separate batches for the pregnant and non-pregnant gliders.

It was not recommended by Peggy. The correct ratios are as Kinue stated - 1/2 a cup for pregnant, 1/4 for non-pregnant.


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