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Re: My very first [Re: KarenE] #631047
09/08/08 05:21 PM
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Peggy, we will all miss cute pics of Bug and I know you loved Bug. I am so sorry.


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Re: My very first [Re: Sheila] #631274
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I am so sorry. You were just telling me about her a few weeks back, and now this.

Now I'm worried about my little Icee i was telling you about.


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Cause of Bug's Death #635036
09/13/08 02:36 PM
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It could have been prevented...if only I had known...

There were no signs, no hissing, no foul smells, no lack in appetite, activity level was fine until the very last night...

Histopath report shows my little baby girl had a severe urinary tract infection that went throughout her poor little body...

How do you tell when they show NO SIGNS at all?

How long had my baby girl been in pain and I didnt know? How long had she suffered?

Just when you think you are doing everything there is to do, and you find it isnt enough.

When talking with Tristan about this, we discussed how we just need to do more UA's on these guys even though it is so hard to do. Most often that is one test that is not done as often as it should be because it is just not that easy to get urine from a glider...

Here is the comment section of the histopath..

Quote:
COMMENT
The primary lesion identified is within the urinary bladder. This is a severe infection with
inflammation extending across the wall of the urinary bladder. I suspect this would be
bacterially induced although no specific microorganisms are identified. This cystitis is also
associated with a suppurative tubulonephritis. There is some evidence of a systemic response
characterized by the interstitial pneumonia.


I'm sorry my little Bug for letting you down, as well as allowing you to be in pain and not even knowing it.... cry


Peggy
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Re: Cause of Bug's Death [Re: Srlb] #635042
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oh, honey you didn't let Bug down. it's not your fault and I am SO sorry for you loss, I know it must be hard.


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Re: Cause of Bug's Death [Re: ORsuggiemomma] #635045
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Oh I am sorry about your baby hug2



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Re: Cause of Bug's Death [Re: SugareeErin] #635052
09/13/08 02:49 PM
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Peggy, I am so sorry. I feel as if I have no words that could provide comfort to you but just know I am here if you need me! Lots of love and hugs coming your way! hug2 hug2 hug2

Re: Cause of Bug's Death [Re: ORsuggiemomma] #635055
09/13/08 02:53 PM
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Peggy, I'm so sad for you. You are NOT a bad mommy by a LONG SHOT...and please don't beat yourself up with the "shoulda/woulda/coulda" game! I lost a glider from a severe UTI also and know your guilt. What makes things worse is that the emergency vet "claimed" to have been a glider owner herself! Did she do a UA before she sub-q'd? Very doubtful! I'll never forgive myself or her for everything...and I'll NEVER GO TO THE EMERGENCY vet CLINIC AGAIN EITHER!! tant (those are harsh words, but that's how strongly I feel about it)

Can you ask Dr. Tristan for me if using the DiaScreen 7/8/10 (pick a number here--every time I turn around, there are more tests on ONE litmus strip) could help in at least WARNING glider owners that there's trouble of this nature? All you need is a few drops of urine to run the test... If he speaks favorably about it, then the word needs to GET OUT THERE that maybe this simple one-minute test can prevent tons and tons of heartache.

Every day, there are new things being discovered about our suggies...and it's so HARD that sometimes we lose a litle one who means SO MUCH TO US. But if this can be a "stepping stone" to learning more, then it MIGHT make the pain a little easier to bear. hug2


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Re: Cause of Bug's Death [Re: minkasmom] #635067
09/13/08 03:25 PM
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Peggy
I am so very, very sorry. I know how it feels to deal with the emotion of loosing a little one and then later the guilt from learning the cause of death.

You are not to blame. I know that I can say this til I am blue in the face and you will still feel what you feel. Please know that I am here for you.

Bug knew that she was loved. She KNEW it. We can not see what we are not shown.

I'm so sorry.


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Re: Cause of Bug's Death [Re: Srlb] #635073
09/13/08 03:30 PM
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Peggy, without any signs, you couldn't possibly know. Some animals are so amazingly stoic, it can be hard to phathom. Nature made them that way, as a form of survival in the wild. My heart goes out to you.

Last edited by pappy1264; 09/13/08 03:32 PM.

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Re: Cause of Bug's Death [Re: minkasmom] #635076
09/13/08 03:33 PM
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hug2 I'm so sorry Peggy

Re: Cause of Bug's Death [Re: BeckiT] #635088
09/13/08 03:46 PM
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I'm so sorry for your loss! I had a glider do the same thing a few yeras ago. No warning. She was septic from something internal. Long story. I'm soooo sorry.

As for the urine test, my vet checks their urine when they go in. I will ask Monday what she uses or does to test it. She has sanitized steel tables in her exam rooms and as soon as I put the glider down on it it scent marks and pees everywhere. The vet collects it on a slide or sometimes with a sterile Q-Tip right from the table. I asked her if it wouldn't be contaminated, and she said no.

Re: Cause of Bug's Death [Re: ] #635094
09/13/08 03:51 PM
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Peggy, Please try not to blame yourself. As you said, you had absolutely no warning signs at all! I would be very interested in finding out if Denise's litmus strips would help in diagnosing something like this...
hug2 hug2 hug2


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Re: Cause of Bug's Death [Re: ] #635097
09/13/08 03:55 PM
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hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2
I'm so sorry, but Peggy, had you known, you would have gotten her help. Know that Bug did not die in vain. I will now be more aware of this possibility with my gliders and will check into the litmus strips. Again, I am so very sorry.


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Re: Cause of Bug's Death [Re: suggiemom1980] #635114
09/13/08 04:18 PM
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hug2


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Re: Cause of Bug's Death [Re: kthiessen] #635159
09/13/08 05:09 PM
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(((HUGS))) Peg - These guys are little troopers.

Even Fawkes, with a 3 inch split in his side, was still climbing and jumping around.

Sometimes you can't know - but one thing I'm sure you know is that Bug is in a better place now, and any pain she had in life is long forgotten.

Re: Cause of Bug's Death [Re: ] #635178
09/13/08 05:38 PM
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Awwwww P hug2 ...this broke my heart, for you. Please don't beat yourself up (you are pretty tough for such a little one ya know tounge ). I KNOW and you KNOW, you would do anything for these little ones. Sometimes we try to do everything *right* and Someone else has a different plan. I am sure Misu and Tira will keep Bug company until we can play with them again.

Karin


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Re: Cause of Bug's Death [Re: Karin] #635196
09/13/08 06:07 PM
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Peggy, I am so sorry. cry


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Re: Cause of Bug's Death [Re: ] #635209
09/13/08 06:42 PM
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Peggy, you are just too hard on yourself. I saw her, and if I thought she was sick, I would have told you. I'm not shy. I think though, maybe you are right, we should do more UA's on them. We can catch things that may not be found otherwise. But how do we decide when to do them?


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Re: Cause of Bug's Death [Re: USMom] #635211
09/13/08 06:43 PM
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Ok, I may just be slow here, but what is a UA?


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Re: Cause of Bug's Death [Re: pappy1264] #635218
09/13/08 06:59 PM
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Mary, a UA is a urine analysis test.


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Re: Cause of Bug's Death [Re: Dancing] #635259
09/13/08 07:50 PM
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Ok, thought so. What exactly is involved? With all that is going on with Roo, I want to make sure all that should be done, is. Thank you.


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Re: Cause of Bug's Death [Re: pappy1264] #635302
09/13/08 08:44 PM
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hug2 Peggy thank you for sharing your information with us. Know you are a wonderful glider owner and you do everything in your power to keep them safe/happy/healthy. hug2


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Re: Cause of Bug's Death [Re: BCChins] #635312
09/13/08 09:01 PM
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To get urine on my glider I take her out of her pouch in the early evening (after she's been sleeping all day). I wipe her backend with a damp cottonball with a little bit of surgical soap. I place her feet on the edge of a shallow metal bowl and put her tail over the edge. She always urinates a large enough amount for a complete UA. I hope this helps. Theresa

Re: Cause of Bug's Death [Re: Srlb] #635498
09/14/08 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted By: Srlb

Just when you think you are doing everything there is to do, and you find it isn't enough.


Amen to that. I have ALWAYS said that when one thinks they have all the bases covered (when it comes to gliders)think again, and again, and again. I lost one of my wonderful buddies(Fivel)cause I did not cover all the bases, and I was sure I did. I was devastated and still don't completely forgive my self. I am so sorry Bug didn't let you know in some way as the loss of a any of our gliders is always devastating. This was not your fault by any means but I know that won't make you feel any better right now.
Again, my sympathies....Pat


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Rest in Peace our little sweet friends that have crossed over the "Rainbow Bridge".
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Re: Cause of Bug's Death [Re: ozzi] #635671
09/14/08 01:27 PM
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Peggy,

I am so sorry for your loss. You couldn't have know, gliders are masters at hiding illnesses.

Let your memories of Bug comfort you in the days to come.


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Re: Cause of Bug's Death [Re: Feather] #638885
09/18/08 09:40 PM
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Oh Peggy I am so very sorry for you loss hon. As much as we love these little guys there's just no way for us to know if they show no signs. Please do not feel you let bug down.

Anna


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Re: Cause of Bug's Death [Re: Srlb] #639304
09/19/08 03:24 PM
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hug2 Peggy, I am so sorry for your loss.

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