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Cause of Bug's Death
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09/13/08 02:36 PM
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It could have been prevented...if only I had known... There were no signs, no hissing, no foul smells, no lack in appetite, activity level was fine until the very last night... Histopath report shows my little baby girl had a severe urinary tract infection that went throughout her poor little body... How do you tell when they show NO SIGNS at all? How long had my baby girl been in pain and I didnt know? How long had she suffered? Just when you think you are doing everything there is to do, and you find it isnt enough. When talking with Tristan about this, we discussed how we just need to do more UA's on these guys even though it is so hard to do. Most often that is one test that is not done as often as it should be because it is just not that easy to get urine from a glider... Here is the comment section of the histopath.. COMMENT The primary lesion identified is within the urinary bladder. This is a severe infection with inflammation extending across the wall of the urinary bladder. I suspect this would be bacterially induced although no specific microorganisms are identified. This cystitis is also associated with a suppurative tubulonephritis. There is some evidence of a systemic response characterized by the interstitial pneumonia. I'm sorry my little Bug for letting you down, as well as allowing you to be in pain and not even knowing it....
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Re: Cause of Bug's Death
[Re: Srlb]
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09/13/08 02:41 PM
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oh, honey you didn't let Bug down. it's not your fault and I am SO sorry for you loss, I know it must be hard.
Wifey to Frankstone Mother to~ Nathan(5) and Drea(3) and slave to 4 perfect sugar gliders:glider: Lightning Mater Trinity Eilonwy
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Re: Cause of Bug's Death
[Re: ORsuggiemomma]
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09/13/08 02:44 PM
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Oh I am sorry about your baby
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Re: Cause of Bug's Death
[Re: SugareeErin]
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09/13/08 02:49 PM
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Re: Cause of Bug's Death
[Re: ORsuggiemomma]
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09/13/08 02:53 PM
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Peggy, I'm so sad for you. You are NOT a bad mommy by a LONG SHOT...and please don't beat yourself up with the "shoulda/woulda/coulda" game! I lost a glider from a severe UTI also and know your guilt. What makes things worse is that the emergency vet "claimed" to have been a glider owner herself! Did she do a UA before she sub-q'd? Very doubtful! I'll never forgive myself or her for everything...and I'll NEVER GO TO THE EMERGENCY vet CLINIC AGAIN EITHER!! (those are harsh words, but that's how strongly I feel about it) Can you ask Dr. Tristan for me if using the DiaScreen 7/8/10 (pick a number here--every time I turn around, there are more tests on ONE litmus strip) could help in at least WARNING glider owners that there's trouble of this nature? All you need is a few drops of urine to run the test... If he speaks favorably about it, then the word needs to GET OUT THERE that maybe this simple one-minute test can prevent tons and tons of heartache. Every day, there are new things being discovered about our suggies...and it's so HARD that sometimes we lose a litle one who means SO MUCH TO US. But if this can be a "stepping stone" to learning more, then it MIGHT make the pain a little easier to bear.
Minkasmom (Papillon Kisses) Slave to: 25 gliders,4 cats, and ONE husband (can't handle two, lol!) Remembering all my lost loves
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Re: Cause of Bug's Death
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09/13/08 03:25 PM
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Peggy I am so very, very sorry. I know how it feels to deal with the emotion of loosing a little one and then later the guilt from learning the cause of death.
You are not to blame. I know that I can say this til I am blue in the face and you will still feel what you feel. Please know that I am here for you.
Bug knew that she was loved. She KNEW it. We can not see what we are not shown.
I'm so sorry.
~~ Val B ~~ 806-803-0318 Daily giving the abused, unloved, unwanted and neglected SOMETHING TO BELIEVE IN PLEASE COMPLETE YOUR SUGAR GROUP SURVEYS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Cause of Bug's Death
[Re: Srlb]
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09/13/08 03:30 PM
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Peggy, without any signs, you couldn't possibly know. Some animals are so amazingly stoic, it can be hard to phathom. Nature made them that way, as a form of survival in the wild. My heart goes out to you.
Last edited by pappy1264; 09/13/08 03:32 PM.
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Re: Cause of Bug's Death
[Re: BeckiT]
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09/13/08 03:46 PM
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I'm so sorry for your loss! I had a glider do the same thing a few yeras ago. No warning. She was septic from something internal. Long story. I'm soooo sorry. As for the urine test, my vet checks their urine when they go in. I will ask Monday what she uses or does to test it. She has sanitized steel tables in her exam rooms and as soon as I put the glider down on it it scent marks and pees everywhere. The vet collects it on a slide or sometimes with a sterile Q-Tip right from the table. I asked her if it wouldn't be contaminated, and she said no.
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Re: Cause of Bug's Death
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09/13/08 03:51 PM
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Peggy, Please try not to blame yourself. As you said, you had absolutely no warning signs at all! I would be very interested in finding out if Denise's litmus strips would help in diagnosing something like this...
Suz Enyedy Carina & Coobah Allira & Gizmo Picasso, Trinity Joy & Luna DaisyMae; Darwin; Mareki; Mambo; Pika; Cricky; Reggie & Bobo, Pepe & Bittah Suz' Sugar Gliders
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Re: Cause of Bug's Death
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09/13/08 03:55 PM
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Re: Cause of Bug's Death
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09/13/08 05:09 PM
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Monster
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(((HUGS))) Peg - These guys are little troopers.
Even Fawkes, with a 3 inch split in his side, was still climbing and jumping around.
Sometimes you can't know - but one thing I'm sure you know is that Bug is in a better place now, and any pain she had in life is long forgotten.
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Re: Cause of Bug's Death
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09/13/08 05:38 PM
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Awwwww P ...this broke my heart, for you. Please don't beat yourself up (you are pretty tough for such a little one ya know ). I KNOW and you KNOW, you would do anything for these little ones. Sometimes we try to do everything *right* and Someone else has a different plan. I am sure Misu and Tira will keep Bug company until we can play with them again. Karin
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"Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass...It is about learning to dance in the rain!"
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Re: Cause of Bug's Death
[Re: Karin]
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09/13/08 06:07 PM
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PixTrix
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Peggy, I am so sorry. Jen
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Re: Cause of Bug's Death
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09/13/08 06:42 PM
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USMom
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Peggy, you are just too hard on yourself. I saw her, and if I thought she was sick, I would have told you. I'm not shy. I think though, maybe you are right, we should do more UA's on them. We can catch things that may not be found otherwise. But how do we decide when to do them?
Shawna Who are you networked with? Networking could save your gliders life. Create one now.
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Re: Cause of Bug's Death
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09/13/08 06:43 PM
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Ok, I may just be slow here, but what is a UA?
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Re: Cause of Bug's Death
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09/13/08 06:59 PM
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Mary, a UA is a urine analysis test.
620-704-9109 Judge not until you have walked in their shoes and lived their lives. What you see online is only part of the story.
I could have missed the pain But I'd of had to miss the dance
The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears.
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Re: Cause of Bug's Death
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09/13/08 07:50 PM
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Ok, thought so. What exactly is involved? With all that is going on with Roo, I want to make sure all that should be done, is. Thank you.
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Re: Cause of Bug's Death
[Re: Srlb]
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09/14/08 02:36 AM
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ozzi
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Just when you think you are doing everything there is to do, and you find it isn't enough.
Amen to that. I have ALWAYS said that when one thinks they have all the bases covered (when it comes to gliders)think again, and again, and again. I lost one of my wonderful buddies(Fivel)cause I did not cover all the bases, and I was sure I did. I was devastated and still don't completely forgive my self. I am so sorry Bug didn't let you know in some way as the loss of a any of our gliders is always devastating. This was not your fault by any means but I know that won't make you feel any better right now. Again, my sympathies....Pat
Pat You have not lived until you have done something for someone who can never repay you.....Unknown Rest in Peace our little sweet friends that have crossed over the "Rainbow Bridge". I miss you Boo-Boo, Lucy, BJ, and Fivel
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Re: Cause of Bug's Death
[Re: ozzi]
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09/14/08 01:27 PM
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Peggy,
I am so sorry for your loss. You couldn't have know, gliders are masters at hiding illnesses.
Let your memories of Bug comfort you in the days to come.
Kimberley Feathers-Sweetie, Mister Peanut & Big Mack Fur-Guinan, Mr. Spock, T'Mir, Cho, Toothless, Maverick & Maharet T'Pol, Elizabeth & Curzon TY, TJ, Light Fury, Madison & T'Pring Forever in my heart, Gizmo, Tucker, Khayman and the rest of my babies over the
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Re: Cause of Bug's Death
[Re: Feather]
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09/18/08 09:40 PM
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mommawannabe
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Oh Peggy I am so very sorry for you loss hon. As much as we love these little guys there's just no way for us to know if they show no signs. Please do not feel you let bug down.
Anna
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Re: Cause of Bug's Death
[Re: Srlb]
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09/19/08 03:24 PM
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Peggy, I am so sorry for your loss.
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