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Re: Fawkes [Re: Karin] #633550
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I'm so sorry Gina. hug2


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Gina, you did everything you could right, from the beginning to the end. It's the hardest thing to try and do what we can or feel we should for these babies. I don't discuss things on the board here but I am going through the fight of saving a suggie at this time. The constant worry and tears, ups and downs. We question everything we do or don't do, Thank you for sharing everything you've been through with your baby, it helps others immensely in their thoughts and decisions with their own suggies.

Because of your fight to try and save Fawkes, my own "flight" kicked out and my "fight" kicked in. After losing Peanut, I felt that a very sick suggie was doomed no matter. This time, the fight is working, this little "senior girl" seems to be getting well.

Love and HUGS to you Gina. I told Peanut to meet Fawkes at the bridge. smile


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hug2 I'm so sorry Gina. frown

Re: Fawkes [Re: glidergrl1513] #633781
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In the colors of the setting sun yesterday, I saw a star so bright it made all the other stars pale in comparison. My attention was eventually pulled away from it, but I feel that star was the spirit of Fawkes...shining so brightly out there in the blue of the coming evening.

May you find comfort and peace in setting his soul free...and know that he loves you for all the unconditional love you poured out to him! hug2


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Re: Fawkes [Re: minkasmom] #634095
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I don't know how to put this without sounding morbid, but I still am unsure of what to do with Fawkes' ashes.

I don't want to bury them, because I have this weird "thing" about putting him outside. It's cold and wet, and lonely. I know that sounds ridiculous, but that's how I feel.

If I have a "box" or something to that effect made for him & keep him in the house, will it just be harder to let go?

What do you guys think? Any ideas I haven't come up with?

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Ok, I have ashes of many of my dogs, and although I have not lost a glider, when the time comes, I will have cremation done and keep the ashes, as well. Here is something a friend of mine did with her dogs ashes. They usually will come in a plastic bag, inside either a can or a box (unless you order a seal urn). She found a stuffed dog that was similar to her dog, took the stitching out of the back, took some of the stuffing out, and put the ashes, in the bag, inside, put stuffing back in and restitched it. She said that on nights when she missed being able to hold and touch him, she would hold the stuffed dog with the ashes and it helped. I have not done that, but think it is not a bad idea. We humans have a need for physical touch, and I think when we lose an animal (and even people) we miss being able to hold them. Although certainly not a 'replacement', it fills the need to hold onto something, and with the ashes, it is still a part of them. Does that make sense? Plus, it is a little less obvious to others (some people feel awkard having ashes and having to explain). Also, if you go on Ebay (at least they used to be there) or just google it, they make tiny urns that are on a chain (in many different shapes and sizes) and you can put a little of the ashes in and seal it permanantly. That way, you can always have a part of them with you. I have many friends who also have done this. It is a very personal decision, but I hope these ideas will help you find what is right for you. God bless.


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Re: Fawkes [Re: pappy1264] #634166
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I lost my beloved Siberian Husky 2 years ago next month and I have her ashes in a box on a shelf with an angel on top of it. Her collar is also draped on the box. My sons pictures are also on the shelf. Most people don't even notice the box. I really like the stuffed animal idea and the charm idea. I will have to look into that.


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Re: Fawkes [Re: vagraphix] #634241
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Thank you for the suggestions, they are all good...

I saw a small (like 3" wide x 1" tall) heart urn on ebay, it just looks like a pretty paperweight. I think I may do that.

I would do the stuffed animal thing, but I have dogs, so no stuffed animal is safe it my house, and that would just kill me if they ever ate the special one.

I like the idea of the necklace, but I don't like the idea of separating portions of his ashes. It just seems like they should stay together.

I think I will wait & see how much space I need.

This is probably one of the top 5 weirdest conversations I've ever had...

Re: Fawkes [Re: vagraphix] #634244
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Gina, I think you should do whatever gives you the most peace. I have a cat I had cremated in a beautiful walnut box permanently sealed sitting on the bookshelf. No one would ever know what it is unless they looked on the bottom of the box.

There are some beautiful boxes at most of the craft stores. The one I have came from the crematorium when Mollie was returned to me.


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Oh, I forgot to mention, I have a friend that does sort of stepping stones (like you see in gardens) and uses broken glass and does pics (I had one done of Jake, my rottie.) When Jake had his leg amputated, I had them keep two toenails for me (strange, but something I wanted). Anyway, I had her do a stone for me, and I sent her some of his ashes, some of the fur I clipped and one of the toenails. She put all of that in the mix for the stone. Interestingly, when you turn it over, the toenail rose to the top and you can feel it. Certainly not something for everyone, but I love it. I will have to get a pic of it. I understand about the stuffies and dogs, same reason I didn't do it, but thought I would offer it.


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Re: Fawkes [Re: pappy1264] #634318
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Gina, this past year Bo and i had to let our two cats goes.. withing three moths of each other .. it was very difficult, Bo opted for the brass erns, we have two matching ... i like still having them with us ...


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Re: Fawkes [Re: Xglider] #634408
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Gina we have a Granite stone place here in CT that can etch a photo on the front of a stone and they can drill a hole in the underside so I can put the ashes inside then seal it closed.

Just another thought and this is not a strange question sometimes others have idea's that you or I would not think about.

This is yet another idea I heard of before if you grow plants then you could bury the ashes in the pot and place a beautiful flower in it.


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Re: Fawkes [Re: BCChins] #634412
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Thank you for all the suggestions - I didn't think this would be so hard.

I have looked at a LOT of urns today & really there haven't been any where I said "that's the one"...

If I'm doing the calculations correctly, there should only be 0.25 cu in of ash, so I'm wondering if all would fit in one of those pendants or keepsake urns. I have emailed a seller with that question.

I miss him so much already, I can't even think about him without welling up frown

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hug2

What about having Peggy do a wood burned box? Course it would be a bit of time involved due to the storm??


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Re: Fawkes [Re: BCChins] #634429
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That was actually my very first thought, but it would have to be sealed somehow, just in case I knock it over or something.

I don't know how she would do that - most of the urns have rubber gaskets, threaded lids & some type of adhesive used to seal them. Not sure how handy Peggy is with that kind of stuff...

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Gina, I'm sure Peggy would do an awesome job for you. If she doesn't have the time, I would be more than happy to make something for you. I can wood burn, or carve whatever you would like on a sealed box. We have done a few keepsake box's such as this for people.

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blush Sorry Linda I forgot you do them too. Very nice work also. thumb


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Re: Fawkes [Re: pappy1264] #634574
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Gina I don't think it is a weird convcersation at all. Almost 2 years later is still gives me peace to have her here with me. If I had to evacuate I would take her ashes with me, but that is just me. i tell my mother who is almost 75 and wants to be creamated that her ashes and my dogs ashes are going to be buried with me.


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Re: Fawkes [Re: vagraphix] #634934
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Thank you Linda (((HUGS)))

Once I did the conversion - I realized what a tiny amount of ashes I will have. I am wondering if all of his ashes would fit in one of those pendants - some of them are really pretty and you can't even tell what they are. There is something comforting about keeping him close to my heart.

I have emailed a couple places to see if I can fit all of his ashes in one of those - I still haven't heard back...

Linda - if the pendant won't hold all of his ashes, I will definately want you to make something special for him!

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Gina, I'm late coming in here to tell you how sorry I am about Fawkes, but I wanted to let you know that you have been in my thoughts. I saw this post and meant to reply, but I guess I didn't.

I feel like keeping ashes of a pet is a very comforting thing to do. My parents first did that for our German Shepherd, Schnapps and they've done it for their Giant Schnauzer, Barron and we did with with our Finnish Spitz, Biscuit. It's nice to still have them around. Besides, the "Pet Cemetery" out by the tree on their property has gotten pretty full over the past 20-something years and the ground is difficult to dig in. I found a peaceful area on our new property where I buried Jeepers, but the ground is even rockier than out at my parents' place so I don't know if that's where others will be or not. frown

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I decided on a large heart pendant from: http://www.whisperintheheart.com/with/with.html

I will be able to put all of his ashes in it & it will be engraved with his name.

Thank you everyone for all your well wishes & for helping me make this very difficult decision (((HUGS)))

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I'm so sorry for your lose. It's hard to loose a member of the family.
I just read in an issue of "cat fancy" about a women who uses the ashes and creates a painting with them. I thought that was so cool. I also know that "build a bear" will allow you to build a bear incorporating the ashes.


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Re: Fawkes [Re: Gossamer] #635855
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Gina, i'd been away from GC for sometime, and did not see the news about poor Fawkes..i knew he had lymphoma but..
my condolences, i know you did all you could for him, and i believe you did the right thing letting him cross over the bridge. he's in such a beautiful place right now, patiently waiting to be reunited with his family.
the pendant urn idea is beautiful, he will always be so close to your heart.
i will say a special prayer for you and light a candle for Fawkes tonight.

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Gina what a great idea and it will be so nice to have him close to you always.


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That is the company my friend got hers from(she got the bone). I am glad you found something that will give you some peace, Gina. It is a beautiful place to keep Fawkes.


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Fawkes' Necropsy Report & Histopathy is in... #641111
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I only got to speak with Dr. Kate briefly this morning, she said that it was lymphoblastic lymphoma and that Fawkes had some liver issues associated with his reluctancy to eat.

I have an appointment at 5:30 tonight to go over everything with her & I will be sure to post once I get home.

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(((Gina))) Will be watching for an update on this.


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Re: Fawkes' Necropsy Report & Histopathy is in... [Re: pappy1264] #641188
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Gina, I haven't been able to post much but I want you to know I am so sorry for what has happened to you on this. After losing Apollo, my heart goes out to you! hug2

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Gina, thanks for the preliminary report hug2


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I went this evening to speak to Dr. Kate about what she found during Fawkes' necropsy as well as the lab results.

While I was waiting for her to come in, I realized that they had placed me in the very room where Fawkes took his last breaths. I was sitting on the same bench, in the same spot, looking at the same pictures. All of a sudden I could hardly breathe - I think I had a panic attack, I don't know, because I've never had one before, but I couldn't breathe & I just started sobbing & all of a sudden I remembered everything about those last few minutes. I even remembered what I was wearing, which I can't even recall right now. But it was horrible, just thinking about it is making me cry all over again. I thought the worst part of this was over. cry

Ok, I've vented, onto what you guys have been waiting for. Full results have been posted on VIN by Katherine Zimmerman, DVM, Bluff City, TN

Fawkes had lymphoblastic lymphoma, otherwise known as large cell lymphoma. This is the bad kind, the kind that is hard to treat, that typically doesn't respond to anything. He was coughing because the cancer had eaten away half of his trachea. When Dr. Kate opened him up, she could see that the cartilage on the back side was completely gone. The same was happening to his jugular vein, half of it was covered in cancer.

She said that he was otherwise a perfectly healthy little boy, except for some liver damage that was caused by his diet and appetite trouble due to the cancer. Remarks about his liver were: Severe, diffuse hepatic apoptosis, most likely resulting from anorexia.

The tumor behind his head did shrink some, as did the main tumor on his neck. 90% of the tumor on his neck underwent extremely severe coagulative necrosis when it separated from its blood supply, then it made the split in Fawkes side to drain. The remaining 10% was invaded and replaced by large neoplastic lymphoblasts. This was classed as an intermediate grade lymphoma.

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