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Re: I've given up. [Re: saturngirl] #430770
12/09/07 02:49 PM
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Rieshu, dont' feel bad. I've been in the exact same situation as you before. We tried to introduce a new glider to my other two and they simply HATED HER. We tried it slow, we tried pouch swapping, toy swapping, cage swapping, vanilla, all sorts of neutral territories, spent months, etc. and they STILL HATED EACHOTHER and it actually NEVER WORKED OUT.

We were actually going to find Zoey a new home because we just realized they were NEVER going to like her and we didn't want her to be a lone glider.

Well, we ended up getting a 4th GLIDER to be Zoey's buddy. Thank God they get along fine, and now we have two duos...they just can't play together at all, we have to have 2 separate playtimes a night. It's quite a pain.

Anyways, long story short, don't blame yourself. Gliders are extremely territorial creatures by nature. In captivity, sometimes we try to combine animals and make our own colonies and they just don't like eachother for whatever reason, and it's not our fault. In nature, too, your glider would like some gliders, and chase others away like mad. I would have to say though at this point it does sound like you've tried everything and in my personal opinion, I'm not sure you're going to convince that older glider to be pals with the baby. I think her mind may be made up.

I think you are doing what is best for both your gliders if you rehome your older glider and find a new buddy for your baby, perhaps one closer to her age. (The baby is a female, right? Maybe a young neutered male?) Or I guess you could go for the quad like us, but it's quite a committment! Againn, remember, this is not your fault. You are trying your best and it's just not working out.

Hugs to you hug2 and feel free to PM me if you need anything else.

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Re: I've given up. [Re: saturngirl] #430789
12/09/07 03:09 PM
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Re: I've given up. [Re: ] #430936
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I don't think I will be getting another one. The degree of hate is overwhelming.. and its so weird. She was desprate to attack her through the cage so much that she almost made her own nose bleed from trying to push it through the bars. When I Psssttt or say her name its like she snaps out of it and looks at me, then looks back and trys to attack. Today when I grabbed her she bit me so hard but i still held her away from the baby and once she noticed it was my finger and not the other glider she licked it and curled up in my hand.

She seems to want to be alone no matter what. The baby has never bitten her back, she only lays there and gets attacked.

Re: I've given up. [Re: Rieshu] #431155
12/10/07 02:28 AM
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Well, I just mean to consider getting one for your other baby to have a buddy. From my experience, they really are happier with a friend.

It can be shocking how mean they can be, right? My female Tanooki turned into a biting, nasty, horrific little witch whenever we were doing intros...she would bite me and just be rotten, it was so tough.

Amazingly though, Zoey took to Zeus instantly and they never had any problems. And now everybody is back to normal. It's not that your older glider is "mean" or a "bad animal." It's just her nature as a glider, and with a different glider, she might be totally laid-back...this is why I agree you are wise to rehome her. In a different situation, she may be just fine.

That being said, it's always risky trying a new glider for your baby. It may work out great, or it might be more biting and craziness. I hope you will reconsider maybe trying another joey though to see if you can find a buddy to make your baby happy. It's been so rewarding to see Zoey happy when we brought Zeus home. Wishing you the best of luck in whatever you decide hug2

Re: I've given up. [Re: ] #431162
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There are some gliders that will simply NEVER accept another glider as a friend. Period. Since you are having serious issues with your older girl, personally, I would spend a lot of time with her and look into finding a little friend for the new baby. The baby sounds very sweet and shouldn't go through this any longer. She could end up with a wound or worse.

Your older one is stressing out. She may only accept YOU as her "mate for life".

Xfilefan (Jen) has a glider that will not accept any other glider at all. To Riker, Jen is his life.

I am currently going through the same thing with one of my gliders. I've been ill for some time now and not able to attempt another bond. If Oliver doesn't accept Olivia again..I will give up and put her with my other 2 girls. Oliver will get more one on one mommy time in my bra. (lol)

Since you have 2 cages, why would you need to rehome the baby? That could cause major stress to her if she is bonded to you. Gliders give unconditional love to us.

Instead of trying to introduce them as buddies, play with them seperate and YOU will have 2 buddies. (then a friend might come along for the baby) smile


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Re: I've given up. [Re: SugarBlossoms] #431198
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I really want to be honest with myself and say that: I can not handle 3 gliders. That and: IF the baby and a new baby didn't get along and all three had to be seperate i DEFINATELY couldn't handle it. The second cage is not near as big as my other one. It's a little less than half the size and it is actually my older glider's travel cage for when we go overnight to my boyfriend's house. (She spends most of the night playing in the walkin closet and only goes into that cage for the day-time.

I think Kyuubi-chan is a glider that isn't going to ever accept another one. She reminds me of my dog Zena. We got a new dog (a big great dane and zena is a pitbull) and we've had Sweeie for a year and to this day, Zena wears a muzzle around the house because she wont accept Sweetie and will kill her if she has the chance. You would think after a year of sleeping in the same house, living together for a year she would get used to it or give up, nope. I think Kyuubi-chan is going to be the same way.

Re: I've given up. [Re: Rieshu] #431207
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The hissing and chattering you mentioned in a previous post is a very good thing! thumb When I did face to face intros, Levent accepted Alev pretty much from the start. My two females on the other hand took months. Nese didn't like Alev, let me tell you, it was stressful! There was a lot of tension, and then Nese would snap... they balled up at least half the times they met. I got the silly pair to be friends for Alev, not terrorize her! We seldom did face to face intros between the girls, but kept up just about everything else. Eventually, it was like Nese just decided to get along with her. They've become very good friends!


~ I miss my Alev, Nese & Levent ~
Re: Bad intro, HELP please. :( [Re: Rieshu] #435327
12/16/07 02:58 PM
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So, about a week ago I had given up on the two of them. I took the baby's cage away from my older one and put her on the other side of the room so that she wouldn't be stressed out anymore with my older one trying to attack her through the bars. Once I went to sleep ALL NIGHT I heard the loudest kissing. It was weird it would go: Tttsssstt, tssst, tsssttttbark. I'm pretty sure it was my older one. In the middle of the night I put their cages back together and ever since theres been a lot of noise. Lots of hissing. Was she in any way calling for the baby I removed?

Re: Bad intro, HELP please. :( [Re: Rieshu] #435334
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She might have been. I hope it was the older one making the noises! laugh Those are really good noises so maybe she's almost ready to finally accept the baby. ^-^ I hope so at least.


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Re: Bad intro, HELP please. :( [Re: Kiiru] #435410
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What would be the best thing for me to do the next time I introduce them face to face? Together, in the day time, in the bathtub with their pouches together? Out of pouches? Together during regular play time? I'm almost postive the bark was the older one's.

Re: NEED QUICK RESPONCE! Should I let her!?? [Re: Rieshu] #435448
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hug2 hug2 hug2

I hope things go well for you and your little ones.
I am starting to get nervous...my two girls and my two boys will soon be introduced frown


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Re: NEED QUICK RESPONCE! Should I let her!?? [Re: CSteele] #435518
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During the day in a neutral location is best (I speak from experience). Remember, gliders need time to adjust to new things; how long depends on the individual.


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