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[:"magenta"] as ya all know, i am a worry wart. this week, i am worried about falls.

i have read that some people use fleece in the bottom of the pan (under the wire "floor") to catch the glider poo. but i am wondering...what about using fleece on top of the cage floor? that way, if the little ones fall, they will have something soft to land on. is this dangerous? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> any input will be appreciated.[/]

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I don't see how it would be dangerous but it would have to be cleaned on a regular basis.


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Re: well... [Re: ] #27252
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I think that is safe, because that is what a lot of people use (fleece) on the floor of their reptariums.
Just make sure you keep it clean <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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I took the bottom rack out of my cage and use corn cob bedding <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />. Why use the rack when they have the opportunity to play <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />(my Kitty and Bunny love to throw the corn cobb everywhere! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frostyangel.gif" alt="" />). If I am wrong please let me know. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worried2.gif" alt="" />

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If I am not mistaken, corncob bedding is not safe to use for gliders. If I am wrong please someone come along and correct me but I believe it carries aflatoxins which is a very fatal thing for gliders.


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Re: well... [Re: ] #27256
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I had fleece at the bottom of my cage but their little claws kinda got snagged

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I got corn cobb because I was told here (I think) that is was safe. When I got Booger (my first) he had pine and would not come out of pouch as soon as I put in the corn cobb he came right out. I trust his instincts! Let me know if I am wrong.........PLEASE!!!

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The question about aflatoxins in corn cob bedding comes from the fact that there have been instances of gliders getting extremely ill or dying from aflatoxins. The source of aflatoxins was traced to the corn bedding that was used for the crickets the gliders ate. I don't know if the same risk exists with corn cob bedding.

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I've heard that corn cob bedding is bad and can contain the aflatoxins. You should probably steer clear of that stuff if you want to avoid future problems. Fleece or CareFresh are good things to use. Do you have a drop pan?? Or are you using a rep?

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UHH OHH.... I use corn cobb bedding! Mine is under the wire bottom of the cage in the poop trap! is that o.k.? Now I am worried. Someone tell us the deal!

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[:"magenta"]tuttle, i would not feel comfortable using corn cob bedding. have you tried aspen?

glidersarebetterthancats, thank you for the link. that looks very interesting. is it meant to be reusable, or disposable?

that is kinda what i am worried about, what milkdudmuffin is saying. i am concerned their nails will get snagged, or a thread will get wrapped around a tiny sugar-limb. so what is more of a risk...that, or injury from falls? any input will be appreciated. [/]

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I've never seen my gliders fall <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" />. They're 9 weeks oop and they seem very very agile.

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Would this be all right to use in the drop pan? :
http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_d...D=1097499836645

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I've never heard of that stuff before. You'll have to wait for someone else's input.

I can't remember if the corn cob bedding is harmful if inhaled like cedar or pine bedding, but it would just be your best bet to stay away from it. I try to avoid things that could cause a problem. How high is the wire grate from the drop pan?

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There is about an inch of space between the wire bottom and the actual drop pan! What now?

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My babies reach down, pick a pellet up, nibble and then throw it back.... O_o

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Charlesex: I know what you mean... we sure do get worried and concerned about our little guys. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I would probably avoid the fleece on the bottom for falls... only because, like you mentioned, if their nails get snagged the least little bit, more than likely the fleece isnt going to stay right where you put it anyways. I too used to be concerned about them falling when I got my first 'baby' years ago... throughout the years Ive learned that they are pretty good at not falling (even though they will just about give you a heart attack watching them jump all around like crazy! Hehe!). If you think about it, in the wild they jump around in the treetops with no safety devices and seem pretty good at it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
If you are really concerned, you could do like I did at first (I did this for a wee little joey too), I sewed a large hammock that spanned the bottom of the cage... that way if they were to take a tumble, they fell right into the hammock. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> (they were so silly too, they got the bright idea to use the hammock as a trampoline of sorts and would jump from the top into the hammock and bounce up, and do it over and over again...little sillys.) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> The only down side was I had to wash the hammock frequently, but other than that it worked out well.

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[:"magenta"]that is a wonderful idea, hope. except for one problem...i cannot sew. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> could i possibly buy one? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" />[/]

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I have two bandana "hammocks" that i put at opposite corners, a few inches apart. (they're kinda like hammock "steps", if they were to fall, they'd hit one first, then roll onto the other one below that, eventually catching their grip i would imagine <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> ) I think they like to rub on it and play on them more (and pee on them, of course) and i've never seen them fall, but if you want to make them they're SUPER easy, you don't need to "know" how to sew, not really. If you take a bandana, fold it into a triangle (you know, opposite corners together) inside out, and stitch (either with a sewing machine or with a needle and thread) up both open sides. Leave one little hole open, if you want, to stuff it with stuffing and make it pillow-like.

OR! and this is even easier. Get a bandana, and some shoelace. Fold each of the corners down, and stitch them down. (just needle and thread would work) Then thread the shoelace through it and tie each corner to the corners of your cage. Voila!! Hammock!

If you're still having trouble, i might consider making something for you and shipping it. All i'd need is for you to pay the shipping and supply cost. I'm not a business woman <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> hope that helps some!

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[:"magenta"]how much do you suppose the total cost would be? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> i am afraid to make one. too much chance of loose threads, etc. [/]

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Goodness, i don't know. Not much i'd expect. The bandanas are less than a dollar a piece at hobby lobby (depending on the pattern. some of the more elaborate ones are over a dollar). The stuffing is dirt cheap. I'd say maybe $3 should cover supplies. I dont know about shipping though. they're not heavy, but they're big. Anyone know how much shipping would be for something like that from TX?

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Just a little side note here <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />, be careful if using the typical "stuffing" sold at most craft stores/Walmart. If you have a digger, and they get through to the stuff, there is likelihood of entanglement. A safer choice would be little fleece strips as stuffing <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />.
(And no, I don't use that stuffing in my products <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />)

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On the note of stuffing, recently we had a family chew through a square pillow that came with a pouch. Chase went in to clean the cage and switch pouches when he found all his gliders were gone. Nowhere to be found. Well.. they had chewed a small opening, tiny really, and then they crawled in, all three of them stuffed in there happy as could be and I am sure quite warm, lol. But, I had to cut the thing open to get them out and they were covered with white stuffing. Thankfully there was no harm, but just remember what Karin said, if you use it, check it often.

As for falling, never had one fall in the cage, it's out of the cage when they are lunging for the good looking glider they see in the mirror, or that door that is a bit farther then they thought it was. I haven't even had problems with babies falling. Once they are brave enough to come out w/o mom, they are quite strong and pick up and the climbing thing quickly.


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[:"magenta"]i am still confused about what to do. i do not know whether to go with handkerchief hammocks, or just get a baby-changing pad to line the floor.

if i go with the hammocks, i will need at least two, so i can switch them out for washing. the baby changing pad will just wipe clean, but i will probably need at least two to completely cover the cage floor.

any more advice for me? i am still so worried, and so confused. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shakehead.gif" alt="" /> [/]

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[:"blue"] In the wild, gliders live in the tops of hundred foot tall trees. They have been doing this successfully for thousands of years without the benefit of hammocks, pads or other soft landing sites. I think this whole thread is much ado about nothing!! [/]

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[:"magenta"]i am well aware about what goes on in the wild. however, animals in the wild have a shorter lifespan than their counterparts in captivity. one of the reasons in gliders is falls, in my opinion. i will be the first to admit that i may be a bit paranoid or overzealous. but i have read a few horror stories about gliders being injured (or worse) when they fall to the bottom of the cage. i have already decided that i want to take precautions, especially since i am considering a 5' cage (i initially was thinking of 3'.) so, what does everybody recommend? some sort of pad for the floor, or hammocks to hang around? i want to make the most informed decision i possibly can, so i need some input. advice please? pretty please? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> [/]

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You want honest opinions? Well I gave mine already. After 3 years with gliders, I have never, ever had one fall in the cage. Not an adult, not a joey, none. So, my recommendation is use nothing at all. If you want to add hammocks and extra climbing vines, that's great and would give something to grab onto "if" there ever was a fall. But really, I think it isn't needed and anyone that sells you something to prevent falls/slow down a fall, is just tring to take your money. Hammocks for the use of hammocks is just fine. Sorry, that's how I feel.

You start covering the bottom of the cage, poo will not go through the grate, which obviously makes it less clean, rotton bits of food will not fall through, pee will not eithor. I guess its just a personal thing.

BTW, I have 2 gliders that were both rescued, they each have a back leg missing, and they don't even fall in the cage. They get along just fine but I do offer lots of climbing stuff.


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Well the only plase I could really seeing mine fall is in the tent, she thinks she can climb up everything but she is wrong. I think its so cool when your in the tent and much your arm straight up the kind of do a shimmy hop up it.

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