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Re: He Mutilated Himself [Re: ] #19001
03/31/04 10:56 PM
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I am glad to hear he's doing better!! Yay!!

Re: He Mutilated Himself [Re: ] #19002
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Linda,
im glad your vet has it under control! thats all that matters right now, you get that baby feeling better..i know your vet is awesome! good luck , keep me posted on Meeko...maybe soon i will have a friend for him
can i ask why all the big fuss over her records and this form???


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Re: He Mutilated Himself [Re: ] #19003
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These pictures are from when he first got here in February, I was surprised to pull him out of his pouch and see a bald neck. At this time there was nothing visibly wrong with him. I asked my aunt what happened and she said she never noticed it before. And yes, I threw a <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tantrum.gif" alt="" /> , how could you NOT notice something like this?

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Re: He Mutilated Himself [Re: ] #19004
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More pics are coming, I need to make them into one so I'm not posting a ton of single ones. Hold tight, I'll be right back.


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Re: He Mutilated Himself [Re: ] #19005
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Neck in late February.

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Re: He Mutilated Himself [Re: ] #19006
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Neck in early March.

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Re: He Mutilated Himself [Re: ] #19007
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Neck in mid March.

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Re: He Mutilated Himself [Re: ] #19008
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And here is his tail, it doesn't look this bad anymore.

I won't have the recent pics up for awhile, I have a lot of school work to do and I am working all weekend. Right now my camera batteries are charging so I can't even upload them.

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Re: He Mutilated Himself [Re: ] #19009
04/01/04 12:32 PM
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
Bourbon,
I posted above that I could not completely fill that form out and asked specifically what you wanted me to do.

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I am sorry maybe I am getting old, but I looked and looked for where you posted that and I still can not find it.

Thank you for the pics, that sure does make me feel so much better, That the cloacal area was not touched.

As for the questionaire, please fill it out the best you can with as much info as you can, as detailed as possible, including a contact number where we can reach you.

I was going to send you a PM, regarding things I don't want to discuss here. but you are not accepting them, so please contact me.
[]bourbon@iname.com[/] using SM in the subject line

as for the neutering, you shouldn't have a problem with that providing the vet uses the pain meds , this problem, is different than a neutering. after you fill out the questionairre, we can help you in greater detail.



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can i ask why all the big fuss over her records and this form???

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The self mutilation of the base of the tail and the cloacal area, is something I myself have not only worked with very closely for the last 8 years, but I also have experience with it, Mary currently has 1 self mutilator (cloacal), BO, that is currently living in e-collar, he has been in one for over 2 years now. Tom has one, Ollie,that is not in an E-collar (however; he is under Tom's 24 hour watch, and gets very specialized attention)We have a group of people that has been dedicated to this problem and all have experience with it.

The questionairre, answers many questions we have to ask over and over again, and sometimes modifications must be made, there is so much to discuss with an owner of an SM, that the time the questionairre save is of great value. Also the questionairres provide us with the records, that we can go back and find common grounds among these little ones,

The questionairre is sent out to a selct few of us, so that contact can be made, and a plan put in order regarding meds, and care, we have information regarding some of the SM's that we are not allowed to post publicially.

Back to the general audience.. (sugarbaby22 especially)

As I stated before these guys are cyclic, and many times this is reoccuring, thus , we do not want the owners to get too comfortable in the fact that they MAY SEEMED healed. just as the UTI has reoccured, the chewing gets worse, and when damage has been done to the cloacal area, the chances of surviving without an e-collar is slimmer, as we need to concentrate then on the damage and not on the cause. Hence why we believe that BO is still in his collar.

As for having a cage mate being absolutly necessary, that has not proven to be an issue, if you are going to neuter him, then the horemone would not be there to cause what was once thought to be sexual frustration.

Actually I want to commend you for catching this BEFORE he was able to reach his clocal area. This is a plus for you and him both.

as for the hairloss on the back of the neck, that is an odd place to have it, it is in a place he generally can't reach easily, and not in a fashion where an e-collar would have done it, more of which I would descibe as a scruff pull, where (not saying someone did, just a way to describe it)it is as if someone had pulled up on the scruff of his neck to catch or subdue him.it was odd I noticed that the hair on his strip coming down from his head was still intact... but that is just what I seen from the pics.

again thanks for the pics, and we are all waiting to hear from you.


At the risk of sounding a tad bit aggorant (which I don't mean to come across as.) GliderCentral is the greatest place I know for information; however in regards to the SM's, it is a specialized area, and requires specialized help and guidance.

Re: He Mutilated Himself [Re: ] #19010
04/01/04 04:28 PM
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...It's extremely important to stay in contact with people who
work with mutilators...when you have a mutilator. There are
differences in the causes for mutilation. Bo's E-collar went on three years ago this past january...he is totaly well on the out side but take the coller off and he will chew untill
he kills himself.
Monkey came in last october and has been in an e-collar. But
unlike Bo...he is almost well on the outside but has some small hard lumps above the anal area and what looks like a
small white lump coming out of the bottom of the anal area.
They are both mutilators and must wear the collar...but the
cause differs.
The message here...even if you think he's well or getting well...don't stop watching him and stay in touch. Have the
collar and meds ready...he could start again at any time.
The faster you stop him...the less damage he does...the faster you can get him well. Let your mind move in that cage
with him and furnish it with everything you can to keep him
from being bored and dwelling on his problems.

Mary


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Re: He Mutilated Himself [Re: ] #19011
04/01/04 07:59 PM
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Poor baby <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />

Linda, I had a glider do the exact same thing when she was a joey. She went after that same spot. I had tons of tests done with my vet--you name it, I paid for it! But it still took nearly three weeks to diagnose. She had a bacterial infection but it was in such low concentrations the first couple times we did the fecal/float that I guess they just didn't detect it.

Anyway, the most important things I found were that she HAD to have her e-collar on at ALL times and that she had to get a lot of loving from me.

I'm not an expert, but from my experience I would say that Meeko definitely needs to have an e-collar on at all times. It is possible that he will find some way to manipulate himself so that he can get at his tail. If he does, it's good to have a bigger e-collar on hand. My glider had to have a totally different kind of e-collar (not a cone) because she was so small, but it was very effective. If you'd like the info on it (I don't think i have a picture of it) I can draw you a picture of what it looked like and what it was made of ---very easy--easier than the cone-type.

I watched my glider like a hawk while her tail was healing and she was on her meds. I had to hand-feed her--her movement was very restricted. But I would have her with me almost 24/7. I didn't get much sleep that month!

So I'm just emphasizing the e-collar thing because I think that if he's fully restricted from his tail, it should heal in a few weeks. It sounds like a long time, but hopefully the skin will grow over the wound within about two weeks... but it's better to keep the collar on him longer than that.

In the meantime... the anti-biotics should help. I used neosporin with pain killer on Zayda's tail.

Poor little guy... I know it's nerve-wracking and saddening to watch a glider go through this. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> Give him LOTS of licky-treats and TONS of lovin'!

If you have any questions please let me know. I also kept a journal for Zayda when she was ill that I can probably reference for you.

Also-- it's been a year and she had not had a re-occurrence. After she was fully healed, I got her a cagemate (although she still prefers to play with me... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> ). I don't consider her a cyclic SM... it sounds like Meeko *might* not be either if he does show to have a UTI or a bacterial infection. But it's worth the several vet visits to know even if he IS getting better just so that you can have a better idea of whether or not he is a cyclic SM.

We send Meeko lots of glider hugs and kisses and well-wishes. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />

Re: He Mutilated Himself [Re: ] #19012
04/03/04 12:46 AM
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I'll post an update sometime next week, there isn't much to update on right now, maybe some pics soon. I'm talking with Bourbon though so we're in good hands. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Meeko Update [Re: ] #19013
04/16/04 01:57 AM
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[:"blue"] I am happy to say that Meeko's tail is completely healed over. In a week or so the hair should start growing in. I am very happy and excited. He is in good spirits, has a great energy level, is back to his friendly self, and has a great appetite! He will be neutered soon, and I have a trio of girls coming that he will be placed with after. There is a 3 year old who lost her mate awhile ago, and her 2 daughters who are between 1 and 2 years old. One of them is a tripod, poor girl got hung up as a joey and her fellow gliders chewed her foot off. Anyway, I'm hoping that everything will work out and they can all be happy gliders for the remainder of their lives with me.

**I am not ever going to stop watching my gliders and examining them daily, Meeko especially. I am aware that self mutilators are cyclic and any second he could do it again. This is not the end, it is only the beginning.**

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" /> Linda and Meeko [/]


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Re: Meeko Update [Re: ] #19014
04/16/04 08:51 AM
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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yelclap.gif" alt="" /> Glad to hear Meeko is doing so well, and soon to be with his own family! You've done an awesome job with him, you should be so proud. Give him special hugs n mealies from us <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />

Re: He Mutilated Himself [Re: ] #19015
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Mutilated what does it look like??

Re: He Mutilated Himself [Re: ] #19016
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There is a photo of his tail attached 7-8 posts above this one, right above Bourbon's reply.

I might as well update here, Meeko has not repeated his licking and chewing! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yelclap.gif" alt="" /> We'll knock on wood, but he is doing great. I don't let my aunt see him anymore because I feel that it played a part in making him upset. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />


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Re: He Mutilated Himself [Re: ] #19017
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So the pick of the tale is what it looks like. Is that what it looks like when its really bad?

Re: He Mutilated Himself [Re: ] #19018
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No, I was lucky with him and caught it right away and it was only his tail. I know it can be a LOT worse but I don't have any photos of it. Where he is mutilating himself also plays a part in how bad it really is.


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[:"magenta"] this is a subject which all glider parents should learn about. for more info, go to www.gliderhealth.com and click on "self-mutilation." [/]

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