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Re: Gus is sick [Re: Feather] #1416527
06/07/18 08:11 PM
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It's a wire cage 1/2 x 1 inch that I've had for at least 10 years and 3 other gliders lived in it for a period of time with no health issues. He finished the metronidazole yesterday. Went back to the vet today. Got a calcium injection and some sub Q fluids. Will do xray tomorrow.

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Re: Gus is sick [Re: theresaw] #1416530
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Keeping the little fella in my prayers.


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: theresaw] #1416531
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I just wanted to rule out the toxic coated wire, that is why I asked about his cage.

I hope you can get to the bottom of this soon. Waiting anxiously for the results of the e-ray.


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: Feather] #1416550
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How is Gus doing?


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: KarenE] #1416554
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He is getting worse. Xrays were nonremarkable but started him on calcium Thursday just to be on the safe side. No sign of improvement. Now he will hardly eat anything I am handfeeding him. Still forcefeeding him critical care and HPW. Same weight but looks so thin.

Re: Gus is sick [Re: theresaw] #1416556
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I am so very sorry to hear this. I am sure I am not the only one who is so confused by the fact he is holding his weight.Just makes no sense whatsoever.

Was so hoping there would be a better report.


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: theresaw] #1416558
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Will he run around and play at all?


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: Ladymagyver] #1416562
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No he doesn't leave the pouch or he is tucked inside my shirt.

Re: Gus is sick [Re: theresaw] #1416578
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Can you post a video of him moving around?


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: theresaw] #1416587
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I still have a concern about the breeder. Gus is how old?

You have had him 5 maybe 6 weeks? Could he have physical defects internally? Maybe something isn't developing properly?

Even though the parents are healthy and other joeys were healthy, there could be internal underdevelopment. It would be interesting to know if other owners ever had issues.

So, here's my thought. Bear with me, I'm just trying to eliminate some things:

1. What do you use to clean cages?

2. What diet did you feed him before he got sick?

3. Did or does he get treats, if so, what was he fed?

4. Has your home been recently sprayed for pests? Do you use poisons for mice, ants, etc?

5. Do you use an air humidifier or purifier? If so, does it have an ionic setting?

6. Do you burn candles, use deodorizers?

7. Has he been exposed to any aerosols, like hairspray, deodorant, or perfume?

8. Has he ever been loose and had contact with anything that may be toxic?

9. Is his cage PVC coated?

10. Where is his cage located compared to the enviroment in the house. Air vents, fans, heat source? Could he be exposed to carbon monoxide from a gas hot water heater?

Remember he is a joey. He is more sensitive to everything than adults are.


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: Ladymagyver] #1416593
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Dawn,
1. I clean his cage with warm water and washcloth only. Do occasionally steam clean.
2. His diet was HPW and fruits and vegetables.
3. Treats were yogurt drops and white meat chicken.
4. I don't spray any chemicals for bugs inside or outside of the house. No ant traps.
5. I don't use a humidifier or air purifier.
6. I don't burn candles or use any room deodorizers.
7. He has never been exposed to hairspray, deodorant, etc.
8. He has never been loose from the cage except with me.
9. The cage he is in has housed all my baby gliders through the years and one glider even lived in it her whole life with no ill effects.
10. He is not by any vents and I have 2 carbon monoxide detectors(1 by his room)

Re: Gus is sick [Re: theresaw] #1416596
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Ok, well, now I'm really stuck...

I am so happy with your answers!!!!! You are a good momma. I had to ask only because I felt we were missing something.

I hope I didn't upset you. I'm trying to eliminate as much as possible.

I'm guessing he's still the same? Poo and potty OK?


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: Ladymagyver] #1416598
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Because of Gus's age and the length of time you have had him, there is probably only one thing we have not considered.

You have not mentioned who the breeder is you got Gus from, and you are under no obligation to do so.


Originally Posted By: theresaw
The breeder has both parents who are very healthy. Also previous babies from these parents are fine.


Just because previous joeys are fine from Gus's parents does not mean that he is. He could very well have been ill when you received him, and the breeder was not aware. It could also be something neurological the vet was not able to diagnosis.

The fact he was weak and showed signs of being unable to walk so very early makes me think more along neurological lines rather than something else since all tested normal.

As Kim/Feather suggested, a video would tell us quite a bit IF he is able to walk at all.


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: KarenE] #1416603
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My vet has considered it might be a genetic problem. As a last ditch effort we started steroids yesterday. I thought his walking was a little stronger yesterday but I was hoping the steroids would make him want to eat. So far he still won't eat on his own. I will try to get a video.

Re: Gus is sick [Re: theresaw] #1416605
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So very sorry. Hoping the video will give us a little more direction.


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: KarenE] #1416639
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I'm sorry to hear this news, praying little Gus makes a turn for the better soon.


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: Terry] #1416641
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Sorry I can't attach the video. After 2 doses of steroids his walking is much improved. He still doesn't leave the pouch and still not eating on his own. Also started baytril to see if that will help.

Re: Gus is sick [Re: theresaw] #1416642
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I'm glad the steroids may be helping.

Originally Posted By: theresaw
Sorry I can't attach the video. After 2 doses of steroids his walking is much improved. He still doesn't leave the pouch and still not eating on his own. Also started baytril to see if that will help.


So you have an internet account like Dropbox? You can copy the link straight to the post.


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: theresaw] #1416648
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Can you email it to me? Trouble11863 @ yahoo.com


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: Feather] #1416677
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Feather I did email you a short video but I'm not sure if it went through. A quick update on Gus. He is still on calcium, steroids, and Baytril. He can walk now but his gait is not totally normal. He still seems a little neurological. He seems a little more alert. Yesterday for the first time in 2 weeks he ate a little food I hand fed him ( a small piece of apple, a piece of corn and later some egg and watermelon). He still will not leave the pouch or groom himself. He seems starving when he starts to eat but stops after a few bites. Theresa

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I got the video and it looks like either HLP or Neurological.

I wonder if he could have hurt himself in his wheel a while back.

Hopefully the regime he is on will help him.

He is in my thoughts and prayers every day. Keep us posted on him.


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: theresaw] #1416681
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So glad he's doing somewhat better.

Please keep us posted on how he's doing.

In the meantime he's in my thoughts and prayers...


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Continued prayers for Gus, and his mommy.


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Gus is showing some improvement!!!! He can walk normal and climb the sides of the cage. He actually left his sleeping pouch twice to move to a different pouch. He will now eat some applesauce, yogurt, egg and other items that I handfeed him. For the first time in a month he gained 3 grams!!! Thanks for all the thoughts and prayers. I hope we're on the upswing now! Theresa

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clap GO GUS GO! clap


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Great news!!!!! It's a start! jump mlove


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: Ladymagyver] #1416749
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Wonderful update. Such good news to read after being gone for a week. Keep going Little Gus clap


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: KarenE] #1416758
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You go Gus! dance Nice work Theresaw thumb


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Gus had a recheck at the vet today and she was very happy with his improvement! Still won't eat on his own but gained 4 more grams! Is more active and very alert.He has started to groom himself a little. She wants me to reduce the steroid a little and see if he still continues to improve.

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Yee Hawww!!! Great news!!!

Still in my prayers and happy thoughts!

party mlove jump party clap

Thank you for the update!

Last edited by Ladymagyver; 06/28/18 10:09 PM.

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