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Gus is sick #1416405
05/28/18 11:31 AM
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My little baby Gus is sick. He is a little over 3 months old. I've had him for a little more than 1 month. He was doing great eating his whole dish every night, very active, and already bonded to me. He was neutered 2 weeks ago and the incision is all healed. Friday night he did not eat overnight and was sleeping in his pouch every time I checked on him. Will still eat treats and cherry if hand fed. Same story Saturday night so I took him to Emergency exotic vet yesterday and everything was normal on physical exam. He is urinating and passing normal stool. Had fecal checked and all negative. They gave me critical care omnivore to force feed him 3 times a day and if still not eating in a few days should be sedated for bloodwork and xrays. Has anyone seen anything like this in a young seemingly healthy glider???

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Re: Gus is sick [Re: theresaw] #1416406
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When they did fecal, what all did they test for?

Have you done tent test to see if he's dehydrated?

Is he having any issues with going potty/poo, or has he stopped going, now that he isn't eating?

Be careful about administering food. Make sure to let him swallow, and not put down his throat. Issues with getting liquids in lungs. Place syringe in side of mouth not straight on.

Be sure to offer fruits with high liquid content like watermelon.


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: Ladymagyver] #1416407
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The fecal tested for parasites and giardia. All negative. They said he was not dehydrated. Urine and stools are normal. No straining. He won't take watermelon but is eating some cherry. I am being careful with the feeding and he is swallowing small amounts at a time.

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You can give him grapes cut in half and try Avocado, most gliders love Avocado.

At this point offer him anything he will eat, chicken, turkey, scrambled eggs. The important thing is for him to eat and drink.


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Gus eating a few more things but only if hand fed. Started to have trouble walking so back to the vet yesterday. They thought he looked a little pale and trouble walking due to weakness. His weight was stable. Sedated for bloodwork and ultrasound . Ultrasound non remarkable and bloodwork normal except slight increase in globulins. Started 2 different antibiotics but still unsure of underlying problem???

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I was hoping for better news. Gus is in my prayers.


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: theresaw] #1416452
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Prayers and fingers crossed!

Thank you for the update.


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: Ladymagyver] #1416453
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Re: Gus is sick [Re: theresaw] #1416454
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Poor baby, feel better Gus!


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: Claralice] #1416466
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Sorry to hear about little Gus, praying for healing. Please keep us posted.


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: Terry] #1416469
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Took Gus to another vet for another opinion. She could not find anything wrong on physical exam. He is maintaining weight but looks worse. Doesn't leave the pouch at all now. She said continue antibiotics, gave him more Sub Q and vitamin B, also a few days of metacam in case it is a pain issue. Has anyone ever seen anything like this in a young glider? I feel like I am going to lose him.

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Is he a single glider? Could he be depressed? Did you get him from a breeder? If so, have you contacted them?

I have read through this post and I see you have had gliders either for awhile or at one time. I feel like I'm missing something. I'm sorry I'm not much help.


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: Ladymagyver] #1416471
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The breeder has both parents who are very healthy. Also previous babies from these parents are fine. I have 2 other gliders but they are not housed together yet because he was just neutered a few weeks ago. I have moved their cages closer ( About 6 inches apart) and they see each other and had been barking back and forth before he was sick. The vets dont want them together now because they dont know what is wrong with him. (I was going to let them meet 1 at a time in neutral territory this past weekend but then he got sick).

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I think one important factor you state is "he is maintaining wieght" this is important, you should weight him maybe every day to hope this trend continues, and if you dont want to disturb him to much, you can weight him in sleeping pouch.
Getting a second vet opinion was a great idea.

Wish I had more, but is does sound like you are doing every thing you can for him. keep hand feeding if needed.

as a side note, my vet(who seems very good and experienced) said sometime the fecal test can be hit and miss, not every stool will contain parasites. but it sounds like he is going potty normal.

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Re: Gus is sick [Re: BYK_Chainsaw] #1416474
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He is passing formed stool and we ran the fecal test twice. The vet also checked the stool under microscope herself.

Re: Gus is sick [Re: theresaw] #1416479
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I'm sorry to hear this. I also may be missing something, maybe I should've gone through everything in this thread before asking, but honestly, I'm too tired to absorb every detail right now. I feel like this could be a legit question based on what I have absorbed, especially with the most recent posts. So here it goes...

Basically, I was wondering: Do you think it's possible that he's not sick, since all tests and exams results are normal, that it's possibly stress from the presence of the other glider?

Stress could cause him to not eat and want to stay in his pouch, being afraid or too stressed to come out and behave normally.

I recommend looking into this possibility and try moving the cages into separate rooms. Keep some distance between them for a while and see if he returns to normal. It wouldn't hurt to ask the experienced vet about this possibility as well. I'm wondering of other's thoughts.

If this is the case, you may want to wait till he's a little older, bigger, and back to his normal behavior, then start again with pre-introduction procedures, taking it slow.


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: Terry] #1416481
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In a nutshell, here is what I think we are looking at with Little Gus. Is it possible he is simply lonely Was the neutering at three months plus the move to his new home just a little more than the little fellow could handle on top of being alone? Maybe that is all it is dunno

  • He is a little over 3 months old. I've had him for a little more than 1 month. He was doing great eating his whole dish every night, very active, and already bonded to me. He was neutered 2 weeks ago and the incision is all healed.
  • Friday night he did not eat overnight and was sleeping in his pouch every time I checked on him. Will still eat treats and cherry if hand fed.
  • Same story Saturday night
  • Seem by two vets with normal/unremarkable visits
  • Started antibiotics as precaution
  • Gus's cage moved close to pair. Some vocalization.
  • Still no improvement


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: KarenE] #1416482
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I thought that might be the problem so I let him see Gwen last night. On neutral territory feeding both of them treats. He saw Gwen and he started little squeaking noises and tried to rub on her and she tried to attack him. I had a hold of her but she managed to bite the loose skin on his back leg. No damage but that did not go at all well. cry I have been gradually moving the cages closer and switching their blankets and pouches with each other. They are also carried in separate bonding pouches right next to each other.

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I would try introductions in the morning when they want to go to bed.

Try one of your other gliders first the next time you try introductions.

Keep us posted on your progress.


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: Feather] #1416486
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Gwen is the calmer glider. The other glider is a male(neutered) but much more aggressive. I still think there is an underlying problem because he can hardly walk now. I'm still force feeding the critical care food and he'll eat very small amounts of food hand fed to him. He has not lost any weight but is much weaker. It almost seems like an injury (which no one could find on exam) or neurological? I don't know what else to do. He is so sweet it is heartbreaking.

Re: Gus is sick [Re: Terry] #1416487
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Originally Posted By: Terry
I'm sorry to hear this. I also may be missing something, maybe I should've gone through everything in this thread before asking, but honestly, I'm too tired to absorb every detail right now. I feel like this could be a legit question based on what I have absorbed, especially with the most recent posts. So here it goes...

Basically, I was wondering: Do you think it's possible that he's not sick, since all tests and exams results are normal, that it's possibly stress from the presence of the other glider?

Stress could cause him to not eat and want to stay in his pouch, being afraid or too stressed to come out and behave normally.

I recommend looking into this possibility and try moving the cages into separate rooms. Keep some distance between them for a while and see if he returns to normal. It wouldn't hurt to ask the experienced vet about this possibility as well. I'm wondering of other's thoughts.

If this is the case, you may want to wait till he's a little older, bigger, and back to his normal behavior, then start again with pre-introduction procedures, taking it slow.


I had this same thought also, the fact that he is not losing weight seemed kind of odd for a glider that is sick for several days. maybe he is not sick, but so far everything you have done has been a good precaution.


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: theresaw] #1416488
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Originally Posted By: theresaw
Karen,
I thought that might be the problem so I let him see Gwen last night. On neutral territory feeding both of them treats. He saw Gwen and he started little squeaking noises and tried to rub on her and she tried to attack him. I had a hold of her but she managed to bite the loose skin on his back leg. No damage but that did not go at all well. cry I have been gradually moving the cages closer and switching their blankets and pouches with each other. They are also carried in separate bonding pouches right next to each other.


my wife is the king of introductions. I sit behind her as a nervous nelly. at every little spat I want it ended, so noone gets hurt, but she just knows its ok and we keep going, after a few feeling out spats they usually settle down and are sleeping in a pouch together.
This last time we noticed that connor was picking the sleeping pouch scented with the 4 colony, not the other unscented one. and the 4 colony was picking the one scented with connor. after 2 weeks of this I came home from work and my wife had all 5 sleeping in one pouch.

treats my give her something to protect against a strange glider, I don't think my wife has treats during an introduction.

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Re: Gus is sick [Re: theresaw] #1416491
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Originally Posted By: theresaw
Gwen is the calmer glider. The other glider is a male(neutered) but much more aggressive. I still think there is an underlying problem because he can hardly walk now. I'm still force feeding the critical care food and he'll eat very small amounts of food hand fed to him. He has not lost any weight but is much weaker. It almost seems like an injury (which no one could find on exam) or neurological? I don't know what else to do. He is so sweet it is heartbreaking.


This is indeed beyond perplexing at this point.

Almost sounds like HLP and if it is, he should be loosing weight, but he is not. I don't see how he is maintaining his weight at this point.

I do agree, there has to be something going on he is hiding from everyone including the vets.


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Re: Gus is sick [Re: KarenE] #1416495
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I don't know much about anything, but there's a saying somewhere that says if there is only one possibility left out of all possibilities then it must be the one. The weight thing keeps coming up, I would check the scale or use a different one just to rule it out.


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Has he had X-rays?

Maybe he has a over growth of bacteria in his gut. A Culture and Sensitivity of his stool and swab inside of his cloaca could rule that out.

What kind of cage is he in?


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Originally Posted By: billytense aka Lisa11
there's a saying somewhere that says if there is only one possibility left out of all possibilities then it must be the one.


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As for the scale. He was weighed at 3 different vets and weights are all about the same as what I get at home. He did not have xrays but had an ultrasound ( vet said this would give us better info than an xray) which showed the intestines. He is on metronidazole(an intestinal antibiotic) and SMZ antibiotic.

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How long has he been on the metronidazole?


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on metronidazole for 7 days. Stools have been normal this whole time.

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I am just worried, I had a glider on that several years ago and almost lost her, I was force feeding and subQing her for a week before she turned around.

What type of cage do you have him in?


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