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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: Srlb] #1394240
09/17/15 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted By: Srlb
With the Complete you can make it up as single servings each night.


Yeah, that is the plan hopefully if I can get her to eat consistently. I am so scared of losing her.

Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1394297
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Originally Posted By: sandbat
Originally Posted By: Srlb
With the Complete you can make it up as single servings each night.


Yeah, that is the plan hopefully if I can get her to eat consistently. I am so scared of losing her.


What are the measurements for two gliders? For a four-day batch, I figured 1/16 a cup critterlove complete to to 3/16 a cup of water.

Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1394540
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Well, she has pretty much stopped eating everything on her own. Even mealworms. The vet I am taking her to now thinks it is due to an age related dental issue that he found. Syringe feeding her is a struggle. She just doesn't want to eat. She is down to 105 grams, which still isn't underweight, but it will get there fast if left to her own devices. The vet I was taking her to stopped returning my calls. The vet I am taking her to now is of the opinion that it is just age and there is nothing anyone can do, but she is only six or seven! Outwardly there is nothing wrong, nothing anyone can spot or tell me is the catalyst or the cause. I am literally tearing my hair out over this. I am sure I am hurting her mouth trying to force feed her, but if I don't, she'll die. Can someone please help or give me any kind of advice about this? Has anyone else dealt with long-term force feeding, or this kind of issue? I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE that no vet seems to have any kind of clue.

Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1394542
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As hard as it is, there is a reason she has stopped eating. She may look good on the outside, but it is the inside where the issue is the problem lays. As bad as it sounds, you need to stop and think of the quality of life for your baby. I know that is hard to think of, but sometimes, the animal tries to tell us it is their time to go, and by her not wanting to eat, she is possibly telling you its her time. By force feeding her, you may just be putting her through more pain, although unintentional.

The cause may not be able to be found and putting her through a series of testings and sedation's and blood work in her state may not be the thing to do anyway. If vets are not able to perform the proper type of testing, they cannot just keep guessing at what is taking place, especially on an animal, we are all still learning about on a daily matter.

I know this is really hard. I honestly feel horrible for you and for her and for what you both are going through, but please, take into consideration her quality of life. Dont force her to keep fighting if it seems the fight has left her. And please do not hate me for my post. hug2


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: Srlb] #1394544
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It's hard to hear a post like Peggy made, however there are times when nothing we do will change the final outcome.

There are times with animals, and even with humans, when they know their time here is over. It is harder on us most of the time than it is on them to let go.

You said she has been dealing with this issue since around the first of July and chances are she was sick before that but hid her illness which means she has been struggling for a long time.

If there were anything more the vets could do, you have to trust they would.

She is tired and is trying to tell you.


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1394552
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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: Kris_N_Zoe] #1394553
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heart hug2 I feel for you and your girl for what you're going through right now. It's hard to face these hard times, know that you have tons of emotional support here. Take the whole situation to your heart, where the welfare of this glider is your priority.

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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1394556
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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1394564
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Thank you all.

She is actually drinking a ton of water. She circles her food bowl as if looking for something, then skips it and takes a few sips of water, and goes back up into her pouch. She has done this several times tonight. It's almost as if she is looking for something she wants, and I can't figure out what it is. She won't eat anything I provide. I have been trying to vary the fruits and veggies. I feed sweet potato, spinach, papaya, mango, grapes, all different types of melon, blueberries, apple, and red peppers lately. She went for egg and avocado for a while, then stopped. She went for chicken for a while, then stopped. It's a thing she has been doing - she will go for something for just a few nights, enough for me to get my hopes up, then she won't touch it again.

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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1394567
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Have you tried the HPW Peggy sent you again? Not a full portion but just enough to give her another option. If she is drinking water again after you were having to force feed her, I would try getting her to lick yogurt, HPW or something off your finger.

I would think going from force feeding to her having to manage portions on her own might be too much. She has to be in a weakened state. Water isn't going to give her any nutrients at this point.


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: KarenE] #1394577
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Originally Posted By: KarenE
Have you tried the HPW Peggy sent you again? Not a full portion but just enough to give her another option. If she is drinking water again after you were having to force feed her, I would try getting her to lick yogurt, HPW or something off your finger.

I would think going from force feeding to her having to manage portions on her own might be too much. She has to be in a weakened state. Water isn't going to give her any nutrients at this point.


They are offered the Critterlove every night along with everything else. It's gone in the morning, but I think Rory is getting it.

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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1394579
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Who is 'they'? I thought this very sick glider was yours in your care.


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: KarenE] #1394647
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Originally Posted By: KarenE
Who is 'they'? I thought this very sick glider was yours in your care.


Danni and her cagemate Rory. I have had them since 2009. They had another cagemate, Laurie, who passed from severe anemia last year. The vet did bloodwork on Danni just in case it was the same thing, and she was not anemic at the time that the bloodwork was done.

I number crunched the measurements on the critterlove complete until I got the amount which would serve one glider for one meal, and have been mixing that with full-fat yogurt to give to Danni every night via oral syringe since Monday night. She is doing a little bit better than she was. She is still getting liver meds. I was just at my wits' end Monday morning after struggling to force feed her the night before.

But I really do think she is just so adverse to OPHW that she will fight and refuse to eat it. I mixed her food with OHPW that Sunday night and forgot to mix it with something else to disguise the flavor. I apologized to her for trying to force feed her something she clearly hates, and will not do it again.

The most heatbreaking thing about all of this is that she comes down to their food dish every night to see what's there, looks at it and inspects it as if she's trying to see if there's something she wants, and then doesn't eat any of it. It's like she wants to eat, but what she wants isn't there, and she refuses to touch what is there. I'd give her whatever she wanted if I could just figure out what it is.

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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1394706
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SHE'S EATING. :D I just saw her nibbling on some melon. Progress!

Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1394713
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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1394761
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Here is what I think happened.

When the vet gave me the liver meds a few weeks ago, she told me to give them to her once a day, crushed up in her food.

I actually went and researched the meds a week ago when I thought all was lost. Turns out, they have to be given an hour ahead of any meal, or they don't do much good. The vet did not tell me this. These pills are for small dogs up to eight pounds, not gliders (and I am quartering them, so she is not getting a whole pill.) They are mostly milk thistle and SAM-E.

The night I posted that she had stopped eating on her own altogether, I actually did what the directions said. She is starting to bounce back now. I am alternating chicken with with critterlove mixed into yogurt, along with their normal fruits and veggies. So far, so good. I will keep you all posted.

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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1394786
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I had posted a weight loss post about a month ago. This sounds exactly like my Roxy. I have been to 3 vets and spent $1400 and no answers. Can't get enough blood for a CBC though and no ultrasound probes small enough. I don't understand how your vet saw an enlarged liver on an x-ray? Digestion is extremely slow. Lots of feces in colon for an extended time. Low specific gravity in urine. Ecoli at one point but it wasn't a clean sample. Been on antibiotics for 6 weeks. None of them will swallow their pride and call Dr. Tristan for help. Did you get yours to call? Mine has gone from over 150 gms to 92. She will not eat anything anymore. She licks the food but then doesn't want it. She drinks a alot. Sometimes she seems constipated (I've seen feces being retracted into her colon), but if it finally comes out it is not hard but normal. I am force feeding her with a syringe. Weird thing is she doesn't act sick otherwise. Runs around like the energizer bunny. What is the liver medication they gave you? Maybe I can get some.

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How did she know she had an enlarged liver? What is the support pill?

Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1394824
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Sent you all the info in PM, but I want to update this thread again, because I want to get all the info together into something like a bullet point list in case something like this ever happens to someone else - because yeah, Danni and Roxy's symptoms are identical. And yes, the liver did show on the X Ray as being enlarged.

The support pill is Denamarin. It was given to me by the vet back at the end of August. It is for small dogs and cats up to 8 pounds. I know posting dosages is a no-no so I won't do that here, but anyone can PM me for specifics. I am going to try to have another vet local to me compound it into something I don't have to crush myself, because the pill quarters go bad quickly when exposed to the open air (they turn gooey and can't be crushed) and I have ended up having to throw nearly half of it out.

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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1394834
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Sandbat,

I have used liquid Milk Thistle in my gliders food before. I used to add a couple drops to each batch of staple.

Maybe that is something you could discuss with your vet. I purchased and GNC Nutrition Center.


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1394866
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I actually use both, and both my gliders get it just in case. I add a few drops to their food each night. The medicine has milk thistle and SAM-E in it. I got mine at Sprouts. It's the non alcohol version.

If I were to switch to milk thistle entirely, how much should I use per glider?

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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1394908
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You would have to discuss that with your vet as far as an individual dose goes.

For adding it to their diet, I just add about 3 or 4 drops per batch of Plus.


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1395678
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We had to help Danni over the Rainbow Bridge 10/27. She seemed to be getting better, but then she stopped drinking and it went downhill very quickly from there.

Thank you for all your support.

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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1395679
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So very sorry. You did everything you could for her. hug2


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