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Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part One) [Re: ValkyrieMome] #1241333
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Alden - if you want to edit your post, you can add the blue color. Just use [/color] at the end of his response, and [color:#000099] at the beginning. (I did those backwards so they would show.) Then it will appear the same as he sent it and avoid confusion.


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Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part One) [Re: ValkyrieMome] #1241352
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Here is what I am taking from the conversation on the HPW versus HPS diets...

Gordon has no experience with HPW whatsoever and no in depth information on it. So from his own mouth he can not say wether or not it is a viable or non viable diet. He has no opinion on if it is good or bad.

The HPS that they sell and manufacture was designed as a broad spectrum diet. Not a Sugar Glider specific one. IT was adapted to sugar gliders in the same way Peggy designed HPW to be used with gliders.

This is similar to how the modified leadbeaters diet was adapted from the bird hobby to adapt over for gliders.

It seems to me that the HPW plus was designed as a replacement for the HPS that was designed to be manufactured in the US with appropriate ingredients to best replicate the diet with domestically available products to ease in the manufacturing process. Therefore if it meets teh same dietary percentages, which from what I understand it does as it was designed by a large group of scientists, dieticians, etc.. then it should be a perfectly adequate diet and be an almost direct replacement for HPS.

If one takes Peggy's diet and modifies it then it is no longer Peggy's diet they are feeding. If their modified diet has issues...that can not be attributed to Peggy or her diet. To me the diet seems perfectly adequate. Like I've stated before, my animals thrive on it. They love it, and they look absolutely amazing. I can find no fault with the HPW plus diet at least. That being said, I have zero experience with the HPW complete diet. I did state elsewhere that I didn't see how it could be a one size fits all diet when it came to breeding. When you are dealing with breeding animals the dietary needs of the mother and young change dramatically throughout the pregnancy, in pouch and out of pouch time. If you feed the HPW complete this does not take into account the changing needs of the glider mom and joeys. However for PET ONLY gliders it is a great diet. Their dietary needs do not change, and they do just fine on it from what I understand.

Anyone that is breeding and has their gliders on the HPW complete and is having issues...I would strongly urge to transition to the HPW plus and use a more adaptive diet. It is still simple, but it is much more flexible and ideal for breeding animals.

That's just my 2 cents worth though.


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Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part One) [Re: ValkyrieMome] #1241371
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The comments from Mr. Rich were ingredient specific. I don't understand the separation between the ingredients in one diet and the ingredients in another - when they are the exact same ingredients. But if those are different to you, then that is your perspective and that is what it is!

If Mr. Rich had said, "Honey is a great ingredient until you combine it with milk thistle" then I'd understand the separation more. But his comments were strictly about each. separate. ingredient.

I found his comments about each specific ingredient and it's dietary function and dietary drawbacks to be intelligent and very interesting. Again - each person will take away from it what they will.

This is merely another diet option. There are 3 versions of HPW. There's BML. There's Priscilla's. There's SunCoast. There's Val's Green diet. There are probably others I'm currently forgetting. And now there are these guidelines to think about. I went to "the source" for Wombaroo and asked them for advice.

If you are happy with your diet, don't switch! I wasn't, so I asked questions.


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Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part One) [Re: ValkyrieMome] #1241404
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I think that if you take Gordon's comments about the individual ingredients, such as bee pollen, and just remove all references to any diet other than the Wambaroo HPS, that you will have more clear answers.

He (they...Passwell) are not debating HPW and their recommendations at all. Mearly stating that some things, such as bee pollen, are not necessary if you are using the Wambaroo HPS as they suggest.

I guess I wish the original conversation with them had started off just as a "How do you recommend feeding gliders using WHPS?" Perhaps followed by questions like "What do you think about adding bee pollen?"


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Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part One) [Re: ValkyrieMome] #1241459
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From: ness Removed my personal email
Sent: Monday, 19 March 2012 2:24 AM
To: wombaroo@adelaide.on.net
Subject: Sugar Glider diet

Hello Mr. Rich,



1.) Would you be so kind as to send me the guideline used for your recommended Sugar Glider diet? Alden only posted as a copy and paste with her own "notes"
2.) Alden has posted you agreed that the Green juice can replace the water in your recommended diet either by whole or partial. I do not see this recommendation in the emails. Would you agree that this was recommended?
3.) Alden has also posted that you recommended the Mazuri Insectivore diet as a substitute for your Small Carnivore diet, I do not see this in the emails either. Would you agree that this was recommended?
4.) Do you have any studies or testing that would support the use of this diet for captive bred/raised Sugar Gliders?
5.) Would you be so kind as to answer whether or not Sugar Gliders in the wild/zoos vs. Sugar gliders kept in smaller cages would/would not need as much food/vitamin/nutrient wise?
6.) Can you answer if all or some of this is accurate? This was posted by Alden which I can't seem to find all of these things listed publicly. " just in the Rich family alone you have a biochemist, a hospital scientist specialising in microbiology and haematology, a pathologist, an ornithologist and aviculturist, and a Chemical Engineer."
7.) In reading your emails I see that you refer to your product as HPS and not HPW, would this be the correct acronym used by your company in the selling of your product?

Thank you for your time and Effort,

Sincerely,
Finnessa

-----Original Message-----
From: Wombaroo/Passwell <wombaroo@adelaide.on.net>
To: 'ness' Removed my email again
Sent: Tue, Mar 20, 2012 4:37 pm
Subject: RE: Sugar Glider diet

Hi Finnessa,

Thanks for your enquiry regarding our feeding guidelines for Sugar Gliders. In answer to your questions:
1) Please find attached our feeding guidelines
2) We don’t specifically recommend the use of “Green Juice”. However this could be used as a “vehicle” for creating an artificial nectar, as blended fruit juice is mainly composed of water and carbohydrate – if you add some Wombaroo High Protein Supplement to this, it will provide the essential protein, fatty acids, vitamins & minerals.
3) We don’t specifically recommend the use of Mazuri Insectivore diet – although they are well respected company in the zoo industry and this product looks reasonable at first glance. But we’re not in the business of critically analysing other company’s products. However, this product is quite high in Iron (335ppm compared to Wombaroo Small Carnivore which has <70ppm). I would question as to whether this level of iron is required for Sugar Gliders, however it may not be a problem if it is only a small portion of the diet.
4) We don’t have any published studies on the use of this diet for captive Sugar Gliders – there would be very few diets that do. However we do have over 25 years experience in formulating food products for native Australian animals. Remember we don’t manufacture a 100% complete diet for Sugar Gliders, we make a useful supplement that can be applied to a range of common food items to provide a more balanced diet.
5) Our recommendations are based on an energy usage of 2.5xBMR (Basal Metabolic Rate), which takes into account the lower energy needs of captive animals. Wild gliders can have energy intakes of about 4xBMR – ie would require significantly more energy. However, many nutrient requirements (eg vitamins, minerals and most essential amino acids) are not directly related to energy intake. Therefore to meet requirements, captive diets need to have higher concentrations of such nutrients than wild diets.
6) I hope these answers clarify your queries.
7) Our product is called Wombaroo High Protein Supplement or HPS for short. We’ve never referred to it as HPW.

Kind Regards,

Gordon Rich.

Wombaroo Food Products / Passwell Pty Ltd
PO Box 151
Glen Osmond
SA 5064
Ph 08 8391 1713
Fax 08 8391 1713
www.wombaroo.com.au

From: ness Again lol
Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2012 11:17 AM
To: wombaroo@adelaide.on.net
Subject: Re: Sugar Glider diet

Thank you for your response, it helps greatly in learning more of the diet side of things and making sure it gets done properly here in the states. I do have a few more questions though.

1. I see the mention of ISD in your dialog with Alden. You recommend against using the fortified toddler cookies. Do you see ISD often in Sugar gliders in Australia? There are owners currently looking into seeing if this is common here as well.
2. Would you happen to know of any special testing done there to determine ISD in Sugar Gliders?
3. Would you happen to know if your diet recommendations in your guideline are widely used in Australia?
4. Do you think the use of "natural food supplies" would vary from Sugar gliders in Australia vs. Indonesian ones? Ours are believed to have originated from Indonesia. Would the requirements be similar and not risky to use something not truly "native" to our own?
5. Do you mind if I pass these questions/answer correspondings along to other owners?

Thank you for your time,
Finnessa

From: Wombaroo/Passwell <wombaroo@adelaide.on.net>
To: 'ness' LOL
Date:Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:58 pm

Hi Finnessa,

We are always happy to answer questions about animal nutrition. In response to your news questions:

1. No we do not have clinically diagnosed ISD reported often in Sugar Gliders here in Australia, and we are not suggesting that it is a widespread problem. But we have certainly heard of reports of high levels of circulating iron as well as tissue deposition of iron in necropsied animals kept in captivity. ISD may be under-reported because very few people get necropsies done of dead animals. The main point is that these animals have low levels of iron in their natural diet so why should we be feeding them a high content of iron in a captive diet?. As many human foods are fortified with iron then it makes sense to avoid them as dietary items for gliders.

2. There is no special testing done for ISD in Sugar Gliders in Australia – its not really considered a major problem here. Most vets should be able to diagnose ISD, or at least the precursor condition of hemosiderosis (iron accumulation in body tissue).

3. We’ve been feeding Gliders in captivity for over 25 years. As in the US, there are many variations to glider diets also in Australia, but the majority probably use Wombaroo HPS as part of their diet. We are not telling people what to feed – we are simply providing guidelines for how to supply a balanced diet to captive animals.

4. The digestive physiology and nutritional requirements of Australian and Indonesian gliders would be very similar.

5. No problems!

Kind regards,

Gordon Rich.

Wombaroo Food Products / Passwell Pty Ltd
PO Box 151
Glen Osmond
SA 5064
Ph 08 8391 1713
Fax 08 8391 1713
www.wombaroo.com.au


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Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part One) [Re: ValkyrieMome] #1241526
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See, I think this was MUCH easier! Your questions asked specifically about the WHPS and their recommendations. It was way less confusing.

You did not post his attachment about their recommendations. Is it any different than what Alden shared? If so, would you please post it as well?


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Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part One) [Re: ValkyrieMome] #1242717
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After reading this over a couple of times and doing some calculations, I will be writing my own letter to Mr Rich.

If you total up all the grams of food and wombaroo powder in his recommendations, then compare that to the Original HPW diet, and even the PML diet, it almost seems we are using FAR less "supplements" than what "they" recommend. Does anyone else see that as well? Or did I miss something?


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Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part One) [Re: ValkyrieMome] #1242730
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Both original HPW and PML do however add additional protein in the form of eggs to the mixture. These two diets also include honey, which meets the requirement of the "cookie" to make it palatable for gliders.

Keep in mind that even though Pocket's recipe only has 2 eggs, she also hand feeds boiled chicken several days each week in addition to her Wombaroo based nectar.

I feel the honey is a better choice as an additional carbohydrate for gliders over the variable types of flour, and amounts of sugar and butter used to make a "plain cookie".

I believe all three of these feeding plans probably balance out when fed with a variety of fruits and vegetables to complete the diet.


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Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part One) [Re: ValkyrieMome] #1242797
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Jill Marie, another thing you must keep in mind and I will quote Mr. Riches own words were:

Quote:
4) We don’t have any published studies on the use of this diet for captive Sugar Gliders


And although we dont have any *published* studies either, we do have many tests, necropsies and histopaths being done. And not just by my side, but also, look at the ones Val collects, take a look at her reports. She also gathers a lot of information when it pertains to captive breed/kept gliders. I believe that gives us a leg up on what to look for in that area.

Yes, they have been making food products for 25 years...I get that, but what many dont stop to think, captive animals are indeed different than wild animals. That is one of the reasons why if turned loose their chance of survival is so much less than say turning loose a squirrel that was rehabbed.

The HPW diets have been used for many years now, with success. There are many many that would tell you that as well. Testing has been done since 05 with the OHPW (you might even find some of the blood work if it was kept here that I posted on several occassions) and all things come back with flying colors.

Our gliders are healthy, they are happy and they are living long lives.

Many people have fed PML for many years. Debbie was/is feeding that for years and her gliders are healthy. I believe Eddie also feeds the PML (I think I saw that on here somewhere before).

I dont intend this to sound rude at all, and although I thank Mr.Rich greatly for his knowledge in creating food, I think I will remain going by what we (vets and those of us who work with them)discover through the testings and necropsies and histopaths.These are captive breed and captive kept gliders. They really do have a different nutrition requirement than those in the wild or zoos or rehabs in Australia.

It was even stated on another forum that Mr.Rich contacted one of the forum members (from Australia) and asked them what they fed their gliders as they (Paswell) was getting a lot of questions from the Americans....Not to mention he references Ellen Dierenfelds write up often. Another really good reference to read up on in Nutrition would be A.P.Smith

A nutritionist may be able tell you what is needed, how it works, and how much but a vet can tell you how its digested, what it does to the organs, and if its healthy for them through the tests, necropsies and histopaths.

Just keep those things in mind as well.

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I feel the honey is a better choice as an additional carbohydrate for gliders over the variable types of flour, and amounts of sugar and butter used to make a "plain cookie".
I believe all three of these feeding plans probably balance out when fed with a variety of fruits and vegetables to complete the diet.


I agree


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Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part One) [Re: CandyOtte] #1242843
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Originally Posted By: CandyOtte
Both original HPW and PML do however add additional protein in the form of eggs to the mixture. These two diets also include honey, which meets the requirement of the "cookie" to make it palatable for gliders.

Keep in mind that even though Pocket's recipe only has 2 eggs, she also hand feeds boiled chicken several days each week in addition to her Wombaroo based nectar.

I feel the honey is a better choice as an additional carbohydrate for gliders over the variable types of flour, and amounts of sugar and butter used to make a "plain cookie".

I believe all three of these feeding plans probably balance out when fed with a variety of fruits and vegetables to complete the diet.

This all may be true but I also believe Mr. Rich suggests adding 50% more Wombaroo to the diet for growing gliders as well as breeding gliders. The formula that has been discussed gives 20% protein. What he suggests for breeding and growing gliders yeilds 30% protein. That is a significant difference and a very important factor when you consider feeding this diet. this has nothing to do with gliders in the wild. Gliders eating this, from my understanding, would be gliders in captivity. Breeding gliders and growing gliders just like children and pregnant woman, have different nutritional needs.


Last edited by tjlong; 03/25/12 11:44 PM.

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Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part One) [Re: ValkyrieMome] #1242845
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Well, I tried to quote Candy then wrote this big response and it didn't print!

Basically what I wanted to say is that I believe what Candy is saying may be true and Mr. Rich has stated that the diet as directed will provide 20% protein and is an appropriate balance of all essential amino acids. I believe he has also stated that the Wombaroo supplement should be increased by 50% for growing and breeding gliders. Alden has that supporting email, if I'm not mistaken? I believe this is an important thing to acknowledge. Just like pregnant women and growing children, their nutritional needs are different.


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Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part One) [Re: ValkyrieMome] #1242880
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Thanks for the comments everyone. I was looking for other thoughts/opinions on it and I am glad the point was made that there are huge differences in the dietary needs of captive and wild animals.

My concern is that many will read Mr. Rich's recommendations and feel that more of the WHPS is needed to meet his recommendations. Much in the way adding calcium to the HPW diet was being done by some and it was causing more issues.


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Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part One) [Re: ValkyrieMome] #1243343
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Received this email from Mr. Rich:

"Hi Jill,



Just a note that our recommendations are for captive Sugar Gliders – and we have personally kept and bred Gliders in captivity for over 25 years. We just tend to use more of the Wombaroo HPS in the diet as a protein source as opposed to egg and bee pollen – but the total amount of protein in our diets is significantly less than some of the diets we’ve seen from the US. Personally if I were making a typical “HPW” type recipe I would cut back on the amount of egg used and replace it with more Wombaroo HPS.



Regards,



Gordon Rich."


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Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part One) [Re: JillMarie] #1243352
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Originally Posted By: JillMarie
Received this email from Mr. Rich:

"Hi Jill,



Just a note that our recommendations are for captive Sugar Gliders – and we have personally kept and bred Gliders in captivity for over 25 years. We just tend to use more of the Wombaroo HPS in the diet as a protein source as opposed to egg and bee pollen – but the total amount of protein in our diets is significantly less than some of the diets we’ve seen from the US. Personally if I were making a typical “HPW” type recipe I would cut back on the amount of egg used and replace it with more Wombaroo HPS.



Regards,



Gordon Rich."

I'm pretty sure that he has said before he feels that the egg yolk has too much cholesterol for his liking and that the white is good but most of the good protein is in the yolk with that cholesterol. dunno

Did you ask about or verify that protein amount I had stated which should be higher for breeding and growing gliders by chance?


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Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part One) [Re: ValkyrieMome] #1243376
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I guess here is the part that I don't understand....

Mr. Rich recommends removing *some* egg and replacing it with HPS. Ok, fine I get that. He has a product that he sells.

What I don't get is that your taking out protien (egg) and adding protien (HPS). Essentially wouldn't that be the same thing?

I also understand people are worried about cholesterol. But as far as I knew, high cholesterol was not an issue that we have seen with our gliders. At least to my knowledge.

If there is documented proof of this in our gliders and I have missed those reports, could someone please share those links to those articles pertaining to high cholesterol in sugar gliders?


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I have used reeps diet, and have had no health issues. I buy wombaroo hps by the 10 lb bag. I called a wombaroo diatributor, he said he would order w carnivore if he had 500.00 order . I couldnt do that at the time


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Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part One) [Re: ValkyrieMome] #1243499
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Tracy, I did NOT ask him about protein amounts for breeders specifically. My questions to him were for gliders in general and more of a comparison between "his" and "ours" kind of thing as opposed to what is "needed".


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Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part One) [Re: JillMarie] #1243555
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Originally Posted By: JillMarie
Tracy, I did NOT ask him about protein amounts for breeders specifically. My questions to him were for gliders in general and more of a comparison between "his" and "ours" kind of thing as opposed to what is "needed".


Thank you for clarification.


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Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part One) [Re: ValkyrieMome] #1244013
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I like the content of this topic, it intrigues me. I have never had a health issue on REEPs. My gliders have good muscle tone, bright eyes, lots of energy. my gliders eat all of it, and we all know if they are not eating it, then what good is it to that specific glider.


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Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part One) [Re: ValkyrieMome] #1244961
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i have been feeding the hpw plus for over a year now but also have always increased my gliders protein via bugs/boiled chicken and chicken organic dog kibble.
this has been done on all the diets i have used.
i have read on different sites including this one that breeders need extra protein, and i have healthy gliders/joeys with good weights so i am not going to knock it.

having said this i wish somebody would come up with an all
organic base diet for our gliders. i use hpw plus because
i can add the necessary organic ingredients to it.

regards,
nancy in detroit

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nancy in roseville (formerly in detroit)
Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part One) [Re: ValkyrieMome] #1245005
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Sorry Teresa I hadn't been back to this thread till now. I hope this helps.

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Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part One) [Re: ValkyrieMome] #1247180
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