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ringtail ginetics? #1193802
11/19/11 06:33 PM
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Is a ring tail a mosaic? or does it have its own separate category? If you were to breed a ring tail and a standard would you get a ring tail, mosaic or standard? the mosaic gene is dominant so is the ring tail gene dominant as well? Ive been looking all over for the genetics for ring tail but cant seem to find anything. Its so hard to learn sugar glider genetics :/



Re: ringtail ginetics? [Re: ihana1894] #1193809
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Ringtail is just a variety of mosaic. smile So it works the same way the mo gene does.

A ringtail mo can have minimal mos, platinum-colored mos, white mos, or other ringtails (or standards, of course). The mo gene is the same for a grey glider with one white foot or a solid white glider with one black whisker. smile

Re: ringtail ginetics? [Re: ihana1894] #1193810
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Im pretty sure that if a glider is a ringtail it is amosiac but im not 100% sure this is a great question and truely i have never thought of this before.
You got my mind thinking now lol because mosiacs have white patches and i know i have seen some ringtails that had brown and black strips and not any white in it.
I guess it depends on the glider my ringtail is a wf mo so when i breed him he is being breed with a wfb so they could have mos wfb or lues because there bothe het i wonder if they can still have standards.

I just thought about this a mo doesnt have to have a ringtail to produce a ringtail mo so im pretty sure its a mo trait.Someone help me lol


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Re: ringtail ginetics? [Re: ihana1894] #1193812
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Hannah tthanks u made that simple lol!


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Re: ringtail ginetics? [Re: ihana1894] #1193817
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okay so only one parent would need to be a ring tail to pass the gene on, correct? so if the glider turns out to be a standard, is it listed as het? or just standard? I was told that if it doesn't show mosaic color than it doesn't have the gene



Re: ringtail ginetics? [Re: ihana1894] #1193819
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Correct if it does not show the gene it can not carrie it.No if a glider is a stand unless it is a het for lue,plat,albino or crimeno it is just a standard meaning if the mosiac u breed to is just a mosiac and the standard u breed to is just a standard then they will not be hets!


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Re: ringtail ginetics? [Re: ihana1894] #1193821
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Also only one parent has to carrie the gene to pass it to offspring


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Re: ringtail ginetics? [Re: ihana1894] #1193822
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wow...why do genetics have to be so difficult lol
Thanks for the info tounge
So whats with the white tip gene? Is that also mosaic?



Re: ringtail ginetics? [Re: ihana1894] #1193827
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There are 2 types of Ringtails: Ringtail Mosaic and Ringtail

A Ringtail Mosaic is a mosaic variation and can product mosaics of any type, not just ringtails. Only 1 mosaic parent is needed to produce mosaic babies. There are no mosaic hets. If they don't shows the gene it means that they don't have it.

A Ringtail is a White Tip variation. It popped up in the White Tip lines and works the same as WT, but rather then a white tip on the tail a glider will get a ring(s) instead. Ringtails can produce both Ringtail and White Tip babies. Only 1 Ringtail/WT or Ringtail/WT Hetparent is needed to produce Ringtail babies and babies from Ringtail parents are considered Ringtail/WT Hets. There are no guarantees that you will get a Ringtail baby from a Ringtail glider. Like WT, the gene is a bit unpredictable and not enough is know about it to figure out exactly what all works together to reproduce it. All we know is that it can be both dominant and recessive.


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Re: ringtail ginetics? [Re: ihana1894] #1193835
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Thjey are confusing it took me a long time to understand with help of a few nice ladys,it will take time but u will get it soon enough,my husband looks at me like im crazy when i start talking about puting 2hets togethe and what i may come out with,he ays im talking anothe language lol


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Re: ringtail ginetics? [Re: ihana1894] #1193836
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i knew i had seen gliders that didnt look like a mo and had a few rings on there tail thanks alot cause i didnt even know that!See you learn something new everyday about these amazing animals


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Re: ringtail ginetics? [Re: ihana1894] #1193839
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The main visual difference between Ringtails and Ringtail Mosaics is that Mosaics usually have white hands and feet in addition to the rings on their tails. Ringtailed WTs don't have white hands and feet.

ALTHOUGH...there WAS a case recently where a WT( or was it a Ringtail?...I can't remember, but believe it was a WT) had white hands and feet. There are also gliders from Indonesia that have white hands and feet and there are also many WTs in the wild. It's the beginnings of a theory that perhaps mosaics originated from WTs.

There are also cases of mosaics having normal gray hands and feet. I, personally, have had a mosaic with only 1 white hand. Her feet and other hand were gray. I still have her. I also have had a WF Mosaic baby with nothing more than a large WT and a couple white whiskers. Everything else, including his hands and feet, was gray. He just recently produced a white mosaic baby.


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Re: ringtail ginetics? [Re: ihana1894] #1195916
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I love reading the genetics discussions - fascinating.


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