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Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111101
05/09/11 05:23 PM
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The vet said he would call Dr. Pat (he couldn't do it right that second, they were very busy) and I told him to call me if Dr. Pat said anything that he needed to deal with.

The stitches are temporary, and come out tomorrow morning.

I also explained to him a bit more about what happened with Simba. He seemed to take all of my concerns to heart.

Samson is doing fine. Isn't messing with the area at all, and I have some medication to give him tonight and the next few following nights.


-Jen

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Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111106
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I hope it all ends well. Praying for Samson.


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Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111107
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The way I see it, Jen, is like this.

If you had a skin kid and something was seriously wrong, the doctor says XYZ. It involves a major surgery. Are you going to say 'oh ok' or would you want a second opinion?

Add to that a LOT of people are saying 'this is not a good idea' and shows you proof. Would you let the doctor do it anyway, or are you going to see about finding out more from other doctors? (Hope that makes sense.)

I don't know how you view your animals, but I see mine as my children. I treat them with the same exact dignity and respect as I do my human child.

That being said, it doesn't matter if you hurt the vets feelings. I'm not saying be a you know what. You can approach the subject calmly and respectfully, but still be matter of fact.

Approach your vet and tell him:
'I'm really concerned about this procedure done on Samson. I know somebody who just recently went through an eerily identical situation and it's been a heckish ride and many times over they weren't sure her little guy was going to make it.

Her vet consulted with other vets that are EXTREMELY knowledgeable in this stuff and if it weren't for those consults, her glider most assuredly would not have made it.

I would really appreciate it if you did the same.'

Offer the phone numbers.
But this is a dire situation that cannot wait any longer. Those stitches need to come out. I don't want Samson, or you, to go through what Simba and Brandi have gone through and are continuing to go through.

Here's that thread if you're not familiar with the story:

Part One

Part Two

Part Three

Part Four

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111108
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I hope it does to. Thanks.


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Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111114
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@Megs

I already posted above that I explained to him about Simba, and what went on there, and asked him to call Dr. Pat. He said that he would. He also said that he would call me if something was up.


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Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111118
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where are these vets getting the info to stitch it back in, this is horrible practice and needs to stop now. omg i hope he recovers from this. i am here if you need me. i consider myself part of the mutilation group. my number is in my siggy, going to go scream in my pillow now.


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Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: ] #1111119
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Advice has been given and Jen will talk with her vet.

Please be compassionate enough to know she is doing the best for her glider.



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Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111121
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I'm not sure where they are getting it either, Cora.

I am thinking about calling the vet before they close to see if he actually has called Dr. Pat like he said that he would. I may be sleeping, though, since DH will be home at that time to keep an eye on Samson to make sure he doesn't mess with anything, then I'll be able to stay up through out the night.

Thanks Karen!

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Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111123
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well my thoughts and prayers are with you hon!


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Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111124
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Thanks Cora!


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Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111127
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Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111132
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Originally Posted By: fox0r
@Megs

I already posted above that I explained to him about Simba, and what went on there, and asked him to call Dr. Pat. He said that he would. He also said that he would call me if something was up.


I didn't see your post as it was posted while I was typing. I had stopped for a minute to get something.

I saw it after I posted and just didn't feel the need to edit. Sorry.

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: KarenE] #1111138
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Originally Posted By: KarenE
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Advice has been given and Jen will talk with her vet.

Please be compassionate enough to know she is doing the best for her glider.



I hope this wasn't in reference to what I said. I wasn't trying to be mean by any means. I'm EXTREMELY compassionate.

I stated I don't know how she views her animals (I treat mine just like my human child) because many people DON'T see them as they do humans.

IE: My mother loves animals and is great with them, but thinks I give my animals too much respect.

Not to go off topic. Just trying to clarify.
I'll shush now.

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111142
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Thank you for the update. I will continue to keep Samson in my thoughts and prayers for a speedy recovery.

Also, please keep in mind that vets can be very busy and unfortuantely they are not able to always get things done as quickly as we would like. So even if your vet was able to call Dr. Pat, Dr. Pat may not have been available right at that minute.

I know its really hard to be patient. I thought I was going crazy when I was waiting on results for Ivey's cancer. I was also calling my vet way more than I needed too about her consulting with another vet. Luckily they were very patient with me, but I'm sure I was getting aggrivating and annoying. LOL

So do please keep in mind that both vets still have other patients than just our gliders. As important as our babies are to us, the other owners of pets feel the same way about theirs and our vets can only do what they can get done in the time they have to do it.


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Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111144
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Keep us posted Jen smile. Sending good thoughts your way.

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111146
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I know Sherri, that's why I don't want to keep calling there and bugging him. Other people's critters need help too. Thanks!

Thanks Aimee!


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Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111156
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Best of wishes to Samson! Hope he recovers quickly and it doesn't get to the point of what happened to poor Simba.


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Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111157
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I felt that "you" knew that, I was just kinda wanting other people to realize that too.

Sometimes our emotions get the best of us because we love our babies and "OTHER" peoples babies so much that we tend to forget things like that.


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Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111159
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I hope so too, Kristi.

And yeah, I understand that, Sherri. I get that way too. You want for them to shove everyone else out of the way and fix your critter and not do anything else, and they just can't do that.


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Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111207
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I am sending lots of positive energy your way for you and Samson. hug2


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Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111219
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Thanks Sari!


Update: Samson is still snoozing away. I'm not looking forward to giving him oral meds later, either. He's gonna hate it.


-Jen

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Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111225
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You might be surprised, Jen...don't be nervous or anxious about it, he'll feel it. Just be confident and he'll do fine. smile

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111289
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I just put the ecollar on him. He HATES it. Also gave him his meds which was much easier than what I thought it would be.

How can I tell if the ecollar is too tight?


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Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111291
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If his nose is *really* turning purple or something, then he isn't getting enough air and it is too tight. HOWEVER, it is very normal for the nose to change color at first - they are fighting the collar and that does use more oxygen. You shouldn't be concerned for the first bit of color change, only if it is staying that way or is really really dark.

I am hoping for the best for you two!

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111292
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His nose tends to be on the darker side most of the time, so I'll be sure to watch it.

I really hate to have to put him in that collar, but I need some sleep tonight. I figured I'd do it while I gave him his meds, and measured him for an ejacket, and just get everything done in one blow so I don't have to mess with him again.

At the rate he is fighting with it, though, I'm not gonna be able to feed him for a while. Dishes will go flying.


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Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111296
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Awwww poor little man. He'll tucker himself out soon enough, and if he is really pulling and tugging and it is staying on, I think you've got it set just right. smile You may need to hand-feed him some or use one of the bird silos for the BML or HPW (I don't know what staple you feed, sorry) to make sure he gets some while in the collar.

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Yep...Jess has given you good advice...poor baby!!

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111299
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if hes breathing, hes good. what type of collar do you have? sattelite or shotglass?


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Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111302
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Originally Posted By: fox0r
I just put the ecollar on him. He HATES it. Also gave him his meds which was much easier than what I thought it would be.

How can I tell if the ecollar is too tight?

If he's crabbing, he can breathe. If you can see him breathing, it's ok. You should be able to slip a fingernail between it and his neck, but no more space than that.

Here are videos of a glider fighting an ecollar. He stopped after twenty minutes. Glider fighting an ecollar


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Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One [Re: fox0r] #1111306
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I have him in a sattelite at the moment. I also have a shotglass handy if I need to switch.

His nose is still a normal color, so I'm taking that as a good sign. I do hope he tires himself out soon, it sucks to see him fight with it so. frown

Samson is doing exactly like the video, pushing his head down and everything. My poor kid. frown

ETA: I attempted to help him out eating, he really wasn't interested in it at the moment. He's more interested in fighting with the collar. I don't have any silos handy. I'll pick some up tomorrow if I need to. I left the dishes for now, and I'll try again after he has had some time to settle down.

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